Demdemeh + Ambrosius

Hi, I have ambrosius and demdemeh in play. Demdemeh Tzimisce Capacity: 10 Group: 4 Laibon: If any Gehenna cards are in play during your untap phase, you may move an animal retainer on Demdemeh to your ready region as an animal ally with 1 strength and 1 bleed. While that animal has more than 2 life, he or she gets +1 strength. Ambrosius, The Ferryman (Wraith) Ally Giovanni Unique wraith with 2 life. 1 strength, 0 bleed. Ambrosius is immune to damage that is not aggravated. He can move a retainer from your ash heap to a ready vampire you control as an action. Put 3 Pathos counters on the retainer. Remove a Pathos counter from the retainer at the beginning of each of your minion phases. When there are no Pathos counters remaining, remove the retainer from the game. If demdemeh gets a retainer from ambrosius and demdemeh changes the retainer to and ally. Do the pathgos counters still go away at the same pace? Is it still an retainer somehow? Have a cold long night, Jeroen van Oort Dutch National Coördinator

I think as Demdemeh's ability affects the retainer it becomes an ally so Ambrosius' text refferring to retainers no longer reacts with it. But IANPB NC of Hungary ///

> Malachy wrote: > I think as Demdemeh's ability affects the retainer it becomes an ally so Ambrosius' text refferring to retainers no longer reacts with it. But IANPB > Correct: The Pathos counters remain, but Ambrosius is no longer removing them from the card. The card is no longer a retainer (for matters such as Marcus Vitel's ability) and fully is an ally (for matters such as Juniper's ability).