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Weenie DEM Target Vitals

7 messages from 6 participants · 11 April 2012 – 13 April 2012 · vekn.net/forum
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Demnogonis Saastuttaja

I wanted to make a fun weenie bleed deck that has the ability to stealth when somebody is just defending with everybody untapped and also enough violence that some pesky interceptors without enough combat can be killed off. In a sense it's very similar to a lot of weenie decks I have played, but any successful bleed action gives you pool. So my strategy is simply to swarm, it's really quite simple. This is the first draft, the metagame is seemingly changing from timeout do nothing style to actually trying to oust, which I really like. There are a lot of possibilities on how to change this deck. I could fiddle the crypt in such a way that there's enough superior Auspex to have the possibility to bounce, always a good option. I thought about just playing Blood Dolls instead of Villein, because there's so many Taste of Vitaes. Or I could make this of some other discipline I haven't thought about. Really the goal here is to have a fun, aggressive weenie deck with the ordinary disciplineless combat (sans Pulled Fangs which I can't get anywhere). Could force it to be mostly Sabbat-based in which case there could be Abbots and also Toy. Why I made it out of Dementation is because it doesn't matter that much to me whether or not it's superior (which it often isn't in the smaller guys), because it's more important to gain pool with KS, get the press from Deny and the stealth from Confusion is just for lunging as is all the stealth, really. Problems I have had with many weenie decks is the inability to sustain themselves because there's no pool gain, and the inability to oust somebody who's just leaving everything untapped. And no, I'm not having any Personal Scourges here, no matter how funny it is Deck Name : Horo Author : Description : Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 6 average: 4.08333 1x Gem Ghastly 6 DEM OBF aus primogen Malkavian:5 1x Morel 6 AUS DEM OBF Malkavian:4 1x Apache Jones 5 DEM aus for obf !Malkavian:4 1x Arthur Denholm 5 AUS DEM obf Malkavian:5 1x Beauregard Kruelle 4 aus dem obf !Malkavian:4 1x Fabrizia Contreraz 4 dem pot archbishop !Malkavian:4 1x Keller Thiel 4 aus dem Malkavian:5 1x Sean Rycek 4 aus dem Malkavian:4 1x Bela 3 DEM ani obf pro Malkavian:5 1x Jackie 3 DEM !Malkavian:4 1x Marta 3 aus dem !Malkavian:4 1x Cassandra Langely, 2 dem Malkavian:4 Library [90 cards] Action [14] 14x Kindred Spirits Action Modifier [12] 8x Confusion 4x Mind Tricks Action Modifier/Combat [8] 8x Deny Ally [2] 1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter) 1x Muddled Vampire Hunter Combat [26] 2x Glancing Blow 8x Target Vitals 8x Taste of Vitae 6x Weighted Walking Stick 2x Zip Gun Master [18] 1x Anarch Troublemaker 2x Dementation 2x Dreams of the Sphinx 1x Giant's Blood 3x Haven Uncovered 2x Lilith's Blessing 1x Pentex(TM) Subversion 6x Villein Reaction [10] 6x On the Qui Vive 4x Wrong and Crosswise Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Wed Apr 11 18:52:14 2012]

Ankha

No Escaped Mental Patient? I'd play Aranthebes too, and maybe Bleeding the Vine (rather than the Lilith's Blessings) Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Suoli

Consider Ossian and Impundulu, they contribute to the attrition angle and play well with Target: Vitals (assuming there's an Uncovered Haven in the case of Impundulu).

Ohlmann

If you have one, one Uncoiling may be helpful, depending on your meta. You don't play any event, and the card is often helpful.

Klaital

I would switch the villeins to tribute to the masters (and reduce the total amount to 4), and add some veil the legions for help with the stealth, any chump with basic obfuscate can use it to give stealth to any of your guys. Also overall mono dem works much better with group 2-3 that has truly awesome crypt for it with Eddie Gaines, Boy Toy, Gillian Krader, Yorik, Midget, Adelaide Davis, Claven, Jeremy Talbot, Persia, Uncle George, Muriel Foucade, and then your choice of either Dolphin or a 5 cap with basic dem.

alek

> I wanted to make a fun weenie bleed deck > o yea, that's a lot of fun The deck itself looks very solid. I would consider following changes: 1. changing the crypt to group 2-3, like Klaital mentioned 2. Putting more dementation masters. IMO superior DEM is very important in this deck. You need this for offense - additional bleed for kindred spirits and eyes of chaos which should be added to the deck 3. changing a master package to include some suddens. Maybe changing villeins to blood dolls or tributes 4. Adding 2 delaying tactics 5. Sliming deck size to 80

Demnogonis Saastuttaja

Thanks for the input. @ Ankha : Yeah I like BtV. EMP's not so much w/o Rötschreck. As a metagame-specific choice I'm not going to use Aranthebes or that much defense anyway. @ Suoli : Don't have Impundulu, comes from the only set I never bought at all. @ Ohlmann : Neither do I have the Uncoiling. @ Klaital : Tribute... Well if I had a clue where mine are they'd probably work. Yeah it seems G2 is a bit cheaper, so I can skip Villeins. I'm not going to use Veils, at this point I'd just add more of the same stealth cards. @ alek : Prob. best to go for a 80 card version since there's not that much defense anyway. The master module is pretty crammed so I'm going to use that BtV instead of suddens, and couldn't stick in more than 1 DEM master more. Also I'm going to trust my luck with Wrong And Crosswise as a vote cancel, I.E. hope that there's also somebody else voting against. And I like playing swarming chump decks ever since I discovered the !Gangrel version of the same idea. More fun to me than sitting on your ass with 30 reactions Ok, V. 2 Deck Name : Horo Author : Description : Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 1 max: 5 average: 3.5 1x Muriel Foucade 5 DEM aus !Malkavian:2 1x Persia, The Beauti 5 DEM aus obf Malkavian:3 1x Uncle George 5 DEM aus dom obf !Malkavian:3 1x Adelaide Davis 4 aus dem obf Malkavian:3 1x Claven 4 aus dem obf !Malkavian:2 1x Idalia, Prophet of 4 AUS dem !Malkavian:2 1x Jeremy Talbot 4 dem obf Malkavian:3 1x Midget 3 DEM obf pre !Malkavian:3 1x Yorik 3 dem obf !Malkavian:2 1x Boy Toy 2 dem !Malkavian:2 1x Gillian Krader 2 ani dem Pander:2 1x Eddie Gaines 1 dem pot Caitiff:3 Library [80 cards] Action [12] 12x Kindred Spirits Action Modifier [12] 6x Confusion 3x Eyes of Chaos 3x Mind Tricks Action Modifier/Combat [7] 7x Deny Ally [2] 1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter) 1x Ossian Combat [23] 2x Glancing Blow 7x Target Vitals 7x Taste of Vitae 5x Weighted Walking Stick 2x Zip Gun Master [16] 1x Anarch Troublemaker 1x Bleeding the Vine 3x Blood Doll 3x Dementation 2x Dreams of the Sphinx 1x Giant's Blood 3x Haven Uncovered 1x Lilith's Blessing 1x Pentex(TM) Subversion Reaction [8] 4x On the Qui Vive 4x Wrong and Crosswise Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Fri Apr 13 15:15:03 2012]