summon history with art of memory

Deck Name : history and memory Author : judge Description : Summon history deck with ally-summoning, with art of memory to adapt the hand and discard unplayable cards. Work well but very slow. Bloat with blood dolls/hunt. Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 1 max: 8 average: 4.75 5x Al-Muntathir, God's Witness (8) True Brujah (group 5) 1x Jeffrey Mullins (4) Gangrel antitribu (group 4) 1x Blister (3) Nosferatu antitribu (group 4) 1x Lubomira Hradok (3) Nosferatu antitribu (group 5) 1x Alu (2) Assamite (group 5) 1x Bloodfeud (2) Malkavian antitribu (group 4) 1x Denette Stensen (2) Gangrel antitribu (group 4) 1x Cesar Holfield (1) Caitiff (group 4) Library [90 cards] Action [13] 2x Clotho's Gift 1x Dream World 10x Summon History Action Modifier [33] 8x Art of Memory, The 2x Cloak the Gathering 5x Domain of Evernight 1x Faceless Night 4x Forgotten Labyrinth 6x Freak Drive 2x Lost in Crowds 1x Spying Mission 4x Tangle Atropos' Hand Action Modifier/Combat [1] 1x Swallowed by the Night Ally [10] 1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter) 1x Harzomatuili 1x Mylan Horseed (Goblin) 1x Ponticulus 1x Remnant of the Endless Storm 1x Renegade Garou 1x Tutu the Doubly Evil One (Bane Mummy) 1x Tye Cooper 1x Vagabond Mystic 1x Veneficti (Mage) Combat [7] 7x Outside the Hourglass Equipment [7] 1x Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The 1x Guarded Rubrics 1x Helicopter 1x Ivory Bow 1x Palatial Estate 1x Sargon Fragment, The 1x Talbot's Chainsaw Event [2] 2x Unmasking, The Master [17] 1x Admonitions, The 1x Archon Investigation 1x Barrens, The 4x Blood Doll 2x Direct Intervention 1x Giant's Blood 1x Monastery of Shadows 1x Obfuscate 1x Pentex(TM) Subversion 1x Tabriz Assembly 2x Vessel 1x Wider View Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Tue Apr 03 09:20:56 2012]

Al should be able to get blood back to summon more 'histories'. After one Remnant he is more or less empty, even with the Ankara Citadel. The Coven? Heidelberg Castle to give him blood from your other minions? Bleed defence? No bounce/bleed reducing with AUS? That seems dangerous to me. What about at least three or so Agent of Powers for the little ones? Baron of Frankfurt

To gain blood the best way is hunting grounds, some procurers and perfecsionst. Instead of Helicopter I recomend Cavalier and aldo a Amulet Amulet of Temporal Perception to other minions can play temporis cards too. Fernando Cesar - Sydnelson LackeyCCG and OCTGN VtES Mantainer Prince of Rio de Janeiro Powerbase Rio de Janeiro

Help me understand Procurer. How does the math work out? Why spend 2 blood only to break even 2 turns later?

> Help me understand Procurer. How does the math work out? Why spend 2 blood only to break even 2 turns later? > Should only cost 1 for Al to go get, and since it is just blood cost the little guys could also take the action to get it.

With Ankara u will only pay 1 blood (0 if you have a perfecsionist instead cavalier) for procurer and for long play procurer can help for remainder of the game. I also forgot suggest Jake Washigton. Fernando Cesar - Sydnelson LackeyCCG and OCTGN VtES Mantainer Prince of Rio de Janeiro Powerbase Rio de Janeiro

I made 5 history decks but the best one is from a guy that win brazilian champs last year. He call big vamps using SM + ankara untap with freak drive and call reckless agitation + voter to fill vampire capacity. Fisrt minion he call with SM is Lutz, and second one is Orlando Oriundos. With this 2 guys ready each referendum starts with 10 votes from Orlando's + 1 from political action and prey loses 1 poll by Lutz ability. Is amazing deck, very useful and can bounce bleed since this 3 vamps has AUS and also play stealth cards with obf. Fernando Cesar - Sydnelson LackeyCCG and OCTGN VtES Mantainer Prince of Rio de Janeiro Powerbase Rio de Janeiro

For my experience playing this deck, blood on al-muthatir is not a big problem. There is multi-hunt, palatial estate, tabriz assembly... A perfectionnist and a jake should be good adds.

> Sydnelson wrote: > I made 5 history decks but the best one is from a guy that win brazilian champs last year. He call big vamps using SM + ankara untap with freak drive and call reckless agitation + voter to fill vampire capacity. > Hm, neither Al, Lutz nor Orlando may call Reckless Agitation, none is independent. You should switch to KRCs or similar. I play that deck with other ICs instead of Orlando (Mistress F., Rafael de C. and Lutz, the Tatuish approach) AND the allies. I enjoy it much, although it needs some time for the setup. I fill up the vampires with Eurayle's Renewed Vigor, but maybe that is too complicated and could also be done with Voter Captivation. I have to think about it. Baron of Frankfurt

I've build a similar deck. Mine has no art of memories and less alies. Insted I've some bleed defence, more blood gain and a lot of bleed offence. Crypt: (13 cards, Min: 4, Max: 32, Avg: 3.76) 4 Al-Muntathir AUS FOR PRE TEM obf qui8 True Brujah 1 Alu obf 2 Assamite 5 Anarch Convert none 1 Caitiff 1 Denette Stensen obf 2 Gangrel Antitribu 1 Lubomira Hradok OBF 3 Nosferatu Antitribu 1 Neighbor John dom for AUS 5 Ventrue Antitribu Library: (82 cards) Master (14 cards) 2 Anarch Railroad 1 Coven, The 1 Direct Intervention 1 Fame 1 Fortschritt Library 1 Giant`s Blood 2 Pentex Subversion 2 Perfectionist 1 Powerbase: Montreal 1 Rack, The 1 Tabriz Assembly Action (16 cards) 1 Blithe Acceptance 2 Clotho`s Gift 2 Dark Mirror of the Mind 2 Entrancement 1 Heart of the City 8 Summon History Action Modifier (26 cards) 1 Cloak the Gathering 7 Domain of Evernight 1 Faceless Night 2 Forgotten Labyrinth 9 Freak Drive 3 Into Thin Air 3 Smoke and Mirrors Reaction (13 cards) 2 Delaying Tactics 3 Eyes of Argus 3 On the Qui Vive 5 Telepathic Misdirection Ally (6 cards) 1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter) 1 Mylan Horseed (Goblin) 1 Ossian 1 Remnant of the Endless Storm 1 Renegade Garou 1 Veneficti (Mage) Retainer (1 cards) 1 Robert Carter Equipment (4 cards) 1 AK-47 1 Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The 1 Camera Phone 1 Heart of Nizchetus Event (2 cards) 1 Dragonbound 1 Unmasking, The

> derjudge wrote: > Deck Name : history and memory > Author : judge > Description : > Summon history deck with ally-summoning, with art of memory to adapt the hand and discard unplayable cards. > You = Genius. And you can get the summon history back after you played it right ? Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier

> Reyda wrote: > And you can get the summon history back after you played it right ? > Yes. Art of Memory is very good since it discards unwanted allies and give you back what you need (untap, stealth or action). Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Inferior Hourglass of the Mind is generally a no brainer but it's even better in a Summon-deck. If you play it before Summoning it basically allows you to draw 4 cards and shuffle 4 back to your library.

Next step: make the poor man version where you don't have the 10 Summon History

> Non-existant user wrote: > Next step: make the poor man version where you don't have the 10 Summon History > It's called Black Hand S&B I believe Izaak made something like that with !assamite.

> Reyda wrote: > > > derjudge wrote: > > Deck Name : history and memory > > Author : judge > > Description : > > Summon history deck with ally-summoning, with art of memory to adapt the hand and discard unplayable cards. > > > You = Genius. > And you can get the summon history back after you played it right ? > thanks! Yes . Or the stealth if there are too many blockers, or the freak drive if not. etc... The poor man version is with sibyl's tongues and sargon fragment.

My variant, it does the votes, does the allies, has the obf, no art of memory, but mad recursion. Al gets blood via Dmitra, or best, via clothos, hungry, and aarons Deck Name : Al-Munthatir vote deck v109 Author : Blooded Sand Description : Rebuilt numerous times on jol via play and play and play Crypt [13 vampires] Capacity min: 7 max: 11 average: 8.76923 5x Al-Muntathir, God' 8 AUS FOR PRE TEM obf qui True Bruj:5 2x Dmitra Ilyanova 9 CEL FOR POT PRE obf justicar Brujah:5 2x Undele 9 CEL FOR obf pre ser magaji Ishtarri:5 1x Lutz von Hohenzoll 11 AUS DEM OBF PRE pot inner circle Malkavian:4 1x Mistress Fanchon 11 AUS CEL DOM OBF THA VIC inner circle Tremere:4 1x Orlando Oriundus 9 AUS DOM THA obf bishop !Tremere:4 1x Benjamin Rose 7 AUS OBF ani pot prince Nosferatu:5 Library [90 cards] Action [16] 6x Clotho's Gift 4x Sheepdog 6x Summon History Action Modifier [19] 8x Domain of Evernight 4x Forgotten Labyrinth 4x Freak Drive 3x Into Thin Air Ally [5] 1x Harzomatuili 1x High Top 1x Ponticulus 1x Remnant of the Endless Storm 1x Veneficti (Mage) Combat [14] 6x Majesty 8x Outside the Hourglass Equipment [2] 1x Aaron's Feeding Razor 1x Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The Master [22] 4x Ashur Tablets 1x Black Forest Base 2x Dreams of the Sphinx 1x Fragment of the Book of Nod 1x Hungry Coyote, The 1x Jake Washington (Hunter) 2x Parthenon, The 1x Pentex(TM) Subversion 1x Tabriz Assembly 3x Vessel 1x Waste Management Operation 4x Zillah's Valley Political Action [6] 1x Ancient Influence 1x Banishment 1x Parity Shift 1x Political Stranglehold 1x Reins of Power 1x Rumors of Gehenna Reaction [6] 6x Telepathic Misdirection Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Wed Apr 04 20:23:22 2012]

try adding Abdelsobek, he is summoned for two blood and he can untap Al from yor next turn as 1 stealth action... I use him alot. Ignorance is bliss. Cypher, Matrix

> Ohlmann wrote: > It's called Black Hand S&B I believe Izaak made something like that with !assamite. > No, I was talking of a Summon History deck with only a couple of Summon History, since Art of Memory can replace the remaining ones. I have played against the Sargon Fragment version and the setup is far too heavy to work. Compared to Sargon Fragment, Art of Memory saves an action and a blood per SH played.

> Non-existant user wrote: > No, I was talking of a Summon History deck with only a couple of Summon History, since Art of Memory can replace the remaining ones. > You need more than Art of Memory for that, since your main problem will be to fetch the summons. If you have 2 summon in the decks, you'd better not rely on it or have good way to retrieve them. As have said Derjudge, you may use Sybil Tongue (and !Malkavian), or Drop Point Network (which may not be all that effective). It may need, in addition to the retrievings cards, some telepathic misdirection since you would take longer to start your army. Else, you may cut the deck to 60 card and only need 4-6 summon history. Far easier said than done.

> Non-existant user wrote: > No, I was talking of a Summon History deck with only a couple of Summon History > I'm currently working on a 60 card version with Epikasta Rigatos, Spontaneous Power and Toreador Grand Ball. I have 4 Summon History for it. Haven't tried it out yet though, so it might fail miserably. Need to find more ways to untap Epikasta.

> Ohlmann wrote: > Else, you may cut the deck to 60 card and only need 4-6 summon history. Far easier said than done. > Even then, it would require some library manipulation: Heart of Nizchetus, Fragments of the Book of Nod, Barrens, Marrakesh Codex. These are useful anyway to discard the allies/equipments/retainer you're going to fetch with Summon History. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director