Stacking Biothaumaturgical Experiment

Is it possible to stack multiple experiments on the same minion at su0perior to gain multiple +1 strengths and maneuvers? Thanks

> Biothaumaturgic Experiment > Cardtype: Action > Cost: 1 pool > Discipline: Thaumaturgy > +1 stealth action. > [tha] {This minion employs} an animal retainer from your hand (ignore requirements; pay cost as normal). > [THA] Put this card on a minion you control. The minion with this card gets an optional maneuver each combat and +1 strength. > Sure. No reason this couldn't be done.

thanks. thought so but some of the players were arguing about it so just wanted to make sure.

> wmseith wrote: > thanks. thought so but some of the players were arguing about it so just wanted to make sure. > I'm curious. What rule did they cite for their belief that you can NOT stack cards? Cards stack by default, because no rule says they don't. In fact, there are cards that have text that specifically says they don't stack. Why would this text be there if cards couldn't stack in the first place? Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

What KevinM said. You will save yourself a world of trouble to learn that cards stack by default instead of asking for single cards. There are many exceptions though. Cards that are unique, Cards that can only be played once (including events), cards that can only be played once on or by a minion and so on. But here's a list of the majority (but far from all) cards that stack. Army of Rats (but prey only lose 1 pool regardless of how many). Mass reality Torn Signpost (but each card reset strength to 3 so practically nothing happens). Masquerade Enforcement Anarch Revolt Brujah Debate (and the multiple cards can target a single vampire to tap). Toreador Grand Ball (same issue, multiple cards can target a single vampire). Spying Mission (at superior) Phobia Mind of a Killer Succulent Vitae Camarilla Exemplary Using the Advantage Incriminating Videotape Flak Jacket Cooler Biothaumaturgic Experiment at superior. Choir 419 Operation Cloak the Gathering (when played by different minions). Fatuus Mastery Horrid Form Eternal Vigilance (quite useless to stack) Concert Tour (also quite useless) The Framing (also useless) Temptation Infernal Familiar Camarilla Vitae Slave Slaughtering the Herd Apparition Judgment: Camarilla Segregation Bonecraft Disease Mark of Damnation Fleshcraft Erosion Despiral Hexaped (the link counter stack) Libertas Short-Term Investment Darksight Atonement Courier (making it possible to discard multiple cards after a single bleed). Marijava Ghoul Aching Beauty Ventrue Investment Guardian Angel Mind of a Child Sensory Deprivation Protracted Investment Lord of Serenity Concordance Shadowed Eyes Seeds of Corruption Lunatic Eruption Heart of Darkness Draught of the Soul Increased Strength Typhonic Beast And just about all non-unique retainers.

> wmseith wrote: > thanks. thought so but some of the players were arguing about it so just wanted to make sure. > As a general rule, everything stacks if it gives you a plus or minus to something. This doesn't apply if: - the rules prevent you from playing the effect twice - card text prevents you from doing it twice. For example, playing Lost in Crowds (+ stealth) twice on an action would give you +4 stealth, except that you can't play the same action modifier twice with the same minion in a given action. In fact, Lost in Crowds twice does give you +4 stealth if minion A starts the action, plays Lost in Crowds, minion B takes over the action with Mask of a Thousand Faces, and minion B plays Lost in Crowds. Fun times. Similarly, if you could play Conditioning (+ bleed) twice on an action, you could get +6 bleed. This is stopped both by the same action modifierrules, but also by its card text - so even if you play Mask, you can't play a second with another minion. On permanents, a minion with three superior Jackals (+ stealth) has +6 stealth when their prey has a ready Follower or Assamite. Two Marijava Ghouls (+ stealth) on a minion gives your Presence actions +2 stealth. A Lasombra with multiple Drink the Blood of Ahriman (+ strength) has a stacking plus to strength and a stacking cost reducer - but will need to burn blood separately for each card. A minion with two superior Fleshcrafts (- stealth) has -4 stealth. A minion with 4 superior Bonecrafts (- strength) has -8 strength. Certain cards aren't plus-es or minus-es, they just set a value. For example, Torn Signpost sets your base strength to 2 (or 3). Multiple Torn Signposts will not stack - they just keep reseting it to 2. Other modifiers will stack on top of that, though. Rumors of Gehenna sets your number of master phase actions to 2 (from 1), and will not stack with itself - or with Anson, who also sets it to two. Having both Anson and Rumors out - just two master phase actions. Anson plus the Parthenon - you can have three, 2 from Anson, and an additional one from tapping the Parthenon. You can also have multiple of the same effect going off. For example, if you have three Wolf Companions, your opponent will take three damage at close range - one from each Companion. If you have three Anarch Revolts in play, each Methuselah burns three pool during their untap phase - one for each Revolt. These aren't stacking in exactly the same way as a cumulative plus-to-strength effect, but each provides its own effect which has to be resolved. Army of Rats (mentioned earlier) would cause you to burn pool for each one, were it not for its own card text preventing that.

He wasn't really quoting any rule just arguing it so I told him I would verify that you could just to shut him up

> wmseith wrote: > He wasn't really quoting any rule just arguing it so I told him I would verify that you could just to shut him up > "What makes you believe that X?" usually works to shut up rules lawyers, since they have no ability to discuss. Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017