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The Devil's Advocate(s)

8 messages from 5 participants · 27 February 2012 – 01 March 2012 · vekn.net/forum
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Klaital

This is an older deck concept of mine that I recently revisited and updated quite heavily, compressing it down from 90 cards to 75. Originally it was more fully a vote deck, but this version I tried to make more of a hybrid between bleed and vote since I can't really be sure I will be able to pass my votes anyway. Originally I had some villeins there also, but those usually just resulted in my guys running out of blood so I took them out, relying on tend the flocks, kaymakli fragment, and ousts mainly for pool gain. Kaymakli Nightmares can be used to get a huge amount of pool after building blood down with tend the flocks and fragment. I have been pondering though if the deck would be better if I would shrink it down further, taking out the caps, mutes, and most of the votes, turning it to more straight forward stealth bleed, just leaving some votes in for tables where the built-in voting abilities of my vampires would be enough to get them through. But I suppose the condemnations work as vote defense also since they might let me to shut down a vote deck. Crypt: 3x The Horde 3x Arishat 2x Xeper, Sultan of Lepers 4x Annazir Library: 75 Master: 19 (6 trifle) 2x Information Highway 1x Kaymakli Nightmares 2x Ruins of Charizel 8x Tend the Flock 1x The Coven 3x Wash 2x Wider View Action: 10 4x Condemnation: Mute 1x Contagion 5x Legal Manipulations Action Modifier: 29 3x Elder Impersonation 5x Faceless Night 4x I Am Legion 4x Lost in Crowds 4x Sense the Sin 3x Spying Mission 3x Swallowed by the Night 3x True Love's Face Ally: 1 1x Veneficti Combat: 4 4x Majesty Equipment: 1 1x Kaymakli Fragment Event: 1 1x The Bitter and Sweet Story Political Action: 10 7x Kine Resources Contested 3x Reckless Agitation EDIT: after a bit of considering, took out the caps and replaced with 3x Wash and 1x The Bitter and Sweet Story (the latter which should have been there to begin with but I just forgot it).

erewego

Interesting deck! I've seen a couple of versions of this before. I made some changes that I thought might help. Crypt: 3x The Horde 3x Arishat 2x Xeper, Sultan of Lepers 4x Annazir Library: 80 *I brought the deck up to 80 to show you other options, you can bring it down to 75 easily enough by playing with the ratios. Master: 19 (5 trifle) 2x Dream of the Sphinx 1x Pentex Subversion 1x Ruins of Charizel 1x Path of Evil Revelations* 8x Tend the Flock 1x Secure Haven 3x Wash 2x Wider View * I would try this card, its free, can be played with no requirement (turn 1) I think you will find it remarkable how long its not burned from the table. Action: 10 4x Condemnation: Mute 1x Contagion 5x Legal Manipulations 1x Unleash Hell's Fury* * You said you don't own one, Aranthebes is good too. Action Modifier: 29 3x Elder Impersonation 5x Faceless Night 4x I Am Legion 4x Lost in Crowds 4x Sense the Sin 3x Spying Mission 3x Swallowed by the Night 3x True Love's Face 2x Psychomachia* 2x Perfect Paragon* *Two other type of stealth cards with multi use. Ally: 1 1x Veneficti Combat: 4 4x Majesty Equipment: 1 1x Kaymakli Fragment Event: 1 1x The Bitter and Sweet Story* *Uncoiling would be better I think. Political Action: 12 5x Kine Resources Contested 3x Reckless Agitation 2x Kin Against My World* ( You have a lot of different types of actions, this might work.)

Jeff Kuta

I like the deck. Seems aggressive enough. My concerns are more about defense. I would put 1x Archon Investigation in this deck because once players figure out you're neither bleeding nor bouncing, that could cause problems. I'd also see about squeezing 2-4 Anarch Converts into the crypt, mainly to adjust ratios slightly. If you do go that route, considering adding 2-4 Anarch Revolts as well. Again, lack of defense means you need stronger offense. Also... -1 Info +1 Dreams I like the Kaymakli Nightmares tech. Keep it in there. When you are anvil, be patient; when a hammer, strike. pckvtes.wordpress.com @pckvtes

Klaital

After some test games, I noticed that the deck is still way too big as I had 30+ cards left still after a sweep. So here is more tuned version trimmed down to 60 cards. Crypt: 3x The Horde 3x Arishat 2x Xeper, Sultan of Lepers 4x Annazir Library: 60 Master: 15 2x Dreams of the Sphinx 1x Ruins of Charizel 6x Tend the Flock 1x The Barrens 1x The Coven 3x Wash 1x Wider View Action: 9 3x Condemnation: Mute 1x Contagion 5x Legal Manipulations Action Modifier: 23 3x Elder Impersonation 4x Faceless Night 4x I Am Legion 4x Lost in Crowds 3x Sense the Sin 2x Spying Mission 3x True Love's Face Ally: 1 1x Veneficti Combat: 3 3x Majesty Event: 1 1x The Bitter and Sweet Story Political Action: 8 2x Conservative Agitation 3x Kine Resources Contested 3x Reckless Agitation

Ankha

> Klaital wrote: > After some test games, I noticed that the deck is still way too big as I had 30+ cards left still after a sweep. So here is more tuned version trimmed down to 60 cards. > > Crypt: > 3x The Horde > 3x Arishat > 2x Xeper, Sultan of Lepers > 4x Annazir > > Library: 60 > > Master: 15 > 2x Dreams of the Sphinx > 1x Ruins of Charizel > 6x Tend the Flock > 1x The Barrens > 1x The Coven > 3x Wash > 1x Wider View > Annazir seems to be the cornerstone of the deck, but you lack some ways to bring him out quickly. I would triple Dreams, switch the Ruins for a Powerbase: Montreal. You don't play any Villein or Blood Doll which is quite strange. I'd also play some non-infernal low cap with obf so be able to play even at low pool. > Klaital wrote: > Action: 9 > 3x Condemnation: Mute > 1x Contagion > 5x Legal Manipulations > > Action Modifier: 23 > 3x Elder Impersonation > 4x Faceless Night > 4x I Am Legion > 4x Lost in Crowds > 3x Sense the Sin > 2x Spying Mission > 3x True Love's Face > I don't like your stealth model. True Love's Face has a nice drawing, but Psychomachia would be better. You're lacking also some combat defense, Swallowed by the Night is a great card for that (polyvalent and can save your life). And you play too much stealth compared to your actions. I'd do 3x Elder Impersonation -> -1 4x Faceless Night -> 2x Faceless 4x I Am Legion 4x Lost in Crowds -> 4x Into thin Air 3x Sense the Sin 2x Spying Mission -> 4x Swallowed 3x True Love's Face -> 2x Psychomachia > Klaital wrote: > Ally: 1 > 1x Veneficti > > Combat: 3 > 3x Majesty > > Event: 1 > 1x The Bitter and Sweet Story > > Political Action: 8 > 2x Conservative Agitation > 3x Kine Resources Contested > 3x Reckless Agitation > Increasing the hand size in a 60 cards deck is not worth the slot. I'd rather play Uncoiling to get rid of any Unmasking that could block your deck. The vote module is very light, how do you oust more than one prey with that? I'd remove the Reckless and play Neonate Breach that can deal massive damage and don't require you to have 2 blood (since you don't play Voter Cap and only 1 Coven) Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Klaital

It is not solely vote deck Ankha, there is quite heavy bleed in it too. In addition to the 8 political actions, there is also 5 legal manipulations, 3 sense the sin, and 3 true loves face, as well as Veneficti and Contagion for further pool damage. So I can use the right tools for the job, like if my prey has lots of bounce, I can vote him off the table, if he instead has lots of votes, I bleed instead. As you said yourself, there are no villeins, which gives my minions plenty of blood to pay for the cards so I can afford to play several blood costing cards for maximized payload. You are right about the dreams though, I think I will switch wider view to third dreams, and perhaps barrens to fourth, since dreams in starting hand lets me get Annazir out on turn two in most cases (as long as I get at least 3 transfers on turn 1). Powerbase Montreal is an interesting idea in a deck with no way to defend it, but I suppose my pool damage is high enough that I don't care if someone gets couple extra pool from it. So I think I will switch the barrens to montreal and wider view to third dreams.

Ankha

I wouldn't remove Wider View due to your crypt composition. I dislike Ruins, but removing a Wash maybe an option due. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Nick M

> erewego wrote: > 2x Kin Against My World* > ( You have a lot of different types of actions, this might work.) > I am trying some My Kin in a similar deck at the moment. It can be expensive blood cost, but the voter caps help. When you have bleed as well as vote, the untap is useful. Also untapping The Horde is good. Nick