NRA and multiple actions from the same card

6.1.6. Action Card (or Card in Play) -- [..] A minion cannot perform an action with the same action card or via the same card in play (including from the minion's own card text) more than once each turn, even if he untaps. Does the "an action" refer to each specific action or the actions from the card in general? Example: Can an infernal sabbat vampire use both actions from the Kaymakli Fragment in the same turn if he untaps? Kaymakli Fragment, Equipment, Promo , [Promo] Unique equipment. This Sabbat vampire may allow you to draw 5 cards from your library as an action (discard afterward). This infernal minion may move 3 blood from the bank to a vampire in your uncontrolled region as a +1 stealth action. Any minion may steal this equipment as a strike.

Ah, looks like I forgot to scrap that sentence. It should have been replaced by the following one : A minion cannot perform each action via the same card in play (including from the minion's own card text) more than once each turn, even if he untaps. which, was merely appended. I'll fix that tomorrow. (the answer to the example question is "yes")

At one point, it was "no", but the answer was reversed to "yes": groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/ef99d89831148769

Awesome, gotta make a deck around that then.

> Pascal wrote: > Ah, looks like I forgot to scrap that sentence. It should have been replaced by the following one : > A minion cannot perform each action via the same card in play (including from the minion's own card text) more than once each turn, even if he untaps. > How about, instead: A minion cannot perform each action via the same card played or in play (including from the minion's own card text) more than once each turn. Clarified "played" (since cards played to the ash heap are not "in play") and removed the redundant "untap" clause. Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

Well, that's already covered by the next paragraph in the rulebook: > > A minion cannot perform an action with the same action card more than once each turn, even if he untaps. A minion cannot perform each action via the same card in play (including from the minion's own card text) more than once each turn, even if he untaps. >

So can we go through this again coz there seems to be a conflict for me from what i remember it was. Before, i always thought that you couldn't use govern to influence 3 blood by a minion if he untaps that turn, if he had used govern to bleed at +2 previously (or vice versa). Can you explain to me how come the Kaymakli fragment is allowed to be used twice by an infernal Sabbat vamp. Is that the same ruling that Gregory Winter can burn a vamp and steal blood?

> blackday wrote: > So can we go through this again coz there seems to be a conflict for me from what i remember it was. Before, i always thought that you couldn't use govern to influence 3 blood by a minion if he untaps that turn, if he had used govern to bleed at +2 previously (or vice versa). Can you explain to me how come the Kaymakli fragment is allowed to be used twice by an infernal Sabbat vamp. Is that the same ruling that Gregory Winter can burn a vamp and steal blood? > Rulebook 6.1.6 wrote" > > A minion cannot perform an action with the same action card more than once each turn, even if he untaps. > A minion cannot perform each action via the same card in play (including from the minion's own card text) more than once each turn, even if he untaps. > One Govern per turn is handled by the first sentence ("an action with the same action card") One of each of KF's actions is handled by the second sentence ("each action via the same card in play")