When declaring a default bleed, are you declaring a bleed directed at a specific methuselah or at "my prey, whoever that may be when the bleed resolves"?
Consider:
Meth A bleeds Meth B (at 1 pool) with a minion.
Meth B tries to block with something.
Meth A plays True Love's Face.
Meth B hates life and chooses to oust himself by burning a pool to cancel the card.
Does that action fizzle? Does the bleed fall through to Meth B's prey?
Can Meth A play a Freak Drive?
> True Love's Face
> Only usable when a minion attempts to block. That block fails (do not tap that minion). That minion cannot attempt to block this action again. That minion's controller may burn a pool to cancel this card as it is played.
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> Freak Drive
> Only usable at the end of a successful action (after resolving the action). This vampire untaps.
> As above, but usable even if the action is blocked (play after combat, if any).
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I'm thinking that you have to declare a bleed against a specific target. The action fizzles (unsuccessfully and unblocked) when Meth B is ousted before the bleed resolves. Freak Drive can not be played.
I would say action will fizzle (no valid target). Rules: "By default, your minion's bleed actions can be directed only at your prey." Action is successful (was not blocked). Compare to This
Most of the answers can be found here: [LSJ 20090122] (note that LSJ got the FD part wrong in his first answer)
> Miasmat wrote:
> When declaring a default bleed, are you declaring a bleed directed at a specific methuselah or at "my prey, whoever that may be when the bleed resolves"?
>
Against a specific Methuselah (who is your prey at the moment the bleed is declared).
> Miasmat wrote:
> Consider:
> Meth A bleeds Meth B (at 1 pool) with a minion.
> Meth B tries to block with something.
> Meth A plays True Love's Face.
> Meth B hates life and chooses to oust himself by burning a pool to cancel the card.
>
> Does that action fizzle? Does the bleed fall through to Meth B's prey?
>
The bleed doesn't land on the target's prey (think of what would happen when you bleed your predator with Kindred Spirits). It fizzles if it reaches resolution unblocked.
> Miasmat wrote:
> Can Meth A play a Freak Drive?
>
Sure. The action was successful.
> Miasmat wrote:
> I'm thinking that you have to declare a bleed against a specific target. The action fizzles (unsuccessfully and unblocked) when Meth B is ousted before the bleed resolves. Freak Drive can not be played.
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Freak Drive is playable on successful actions. A fizzling action is successful. Ergo, Freak Drive is playable on a fizzling action (such as bleeding an ousted Methuselah, for instance).
> Surreal wrote:
> Compare to This
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Yeah, that's the post that got me thinking about it.
What I didn't realize is that a fizzled action is successful. No pool was burned, so it's not a successful bleed, right?
Succesful action and succesful bleed are two different things. Like for example, if your bleed is reduced to 0 with telepathic counter its not a succesful bleed, but the action was still succesful (assuming it wasn't blocked)
> Klaital wrote:
> Succesful action and succesful bleed are two different things. Like for example, if your bleed is reduced to 0 with telepathic counter its not a succesful bleed, but the action was still succesful (assuming it wasn't blocked)
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Technically, the "bleed action" was successful, even though the "bleed" wasn't successful.
Succesful bleed action <> Successful bleed.
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> Ankha wrote:
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> > Klaital wrote:
> > Succesful action and succesful bleed are two different things. Like for example, if your bleed is reduced to 0 with telepathic counter its not a succesful bleed, but the action was still succesful (assuming it wasn't blocked)
> >
> Technically, the "bleed action" was successful, even though the "bleed" wasn't successful.
>
The definition of "successful bleed" is "successful bleed action with amount of bleed > 0". This definition is under review, but it seems the edge would be awarded, in this scenario.