Name: The Slump
Cardtype: Event
No blood or pool can be gained from the blood bank except during hunt actions or combat. Put all pool lost by Methuselahs on this card. Burn this card when it has 15 or more counters.
Idea: a bit like the Rising, but it prevents "spontaneous" bloating decks (Liquidation, Ashur, Voter Captivation). Won't affect Blood Doll/Vessel or Villein/Minion Tap.
Will affect Liquidation, Ashur, Voter Captivation... but also PB: Montreal, The Rack, Hunting Grounds, Govern the Unaligned at DOM, Art Scam, Consanguineous Boon etc.
Improves the game speed by forcing the players to be more pool aggressive.
Thought? Comments?
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Ankha wrote:
> Name: The Slump
> Cardtype: Event
> No blood or pool can be gained from the blood bank except during hunt actions or combat. Put all pool lost by Methuselahs on this card. Burn this card when it has 15 or more counters.
>
How/when are counters placed in the event? I do
VTES is not for the faint of heart...especially when you don't have a enough blood.
Prince Of Geneva
> alek wrote:
> Very easy to incorporate into deck (Rising needs two other gehannas). Kills a lot of archetypes, while giving nothing back.
>
Nothing back? Could you detail?
I find on the contrary that it's an incitative card. You want to create pool from nowhere? Deal pool damage first.
The whole game is a game of attrition, and there are too many cards nowadays that generate pool (or blood) freely. This card would help making the game showing a shortfall in pool, restablishing the balance, and making game go faster for aggressive decks.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
I'd change it to "When blood or pool counters are burned, put them on this card instead. When blood or pool counters would be gained from the blood bank, take them from this card instead."
It basically empties the blood bank.
> Pascal wrote:
> I'd change it to "When blood or pool counters are burned, put them on this card instead. When blood or pool counters would be gained from the blood bank, take them from this card instead."
>
It's another option, but would you keep the "event burns when..." clause?
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Killjoy71 wrote:
>
> > Ankha wrote:
> > Name: The Slump
> > Cardtype: Event
> > No blood or pool can be gained from the blood bank except during hunt actions or combat. Put all pool lost by Methuselahs on this card. Burn this card when it has 15 or more counters.
> >
> How/when are counters placed in the event? I do
>
?
Counters come from the "Put all pool lost by Methuselahs on this card." clause.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Ankha wrote:
>
> > Pascal wrote:
> > I'd change it to "When blood or pool counters are burned, put them on this card instead. When blood or pool counters would be gained from the blood bank, take them from this card instead."
> >
> It's another option, but would you keep the "event burns when..." clause?
>
I don't think it's needed, since the option to gain blood / pool remains on the table. And once a player is ousted, there should be enough counters on the card to be meaningless.
Or maybe it should just burn when a player is ousted, to avoid confusion on counter-tracking. Probably better.
> alek wrote:
> Very easy to incorporate into deck (Rising needs two other gehannas). Kills a lot of archetypes, while giving nothing back.
>
> Nothing back? Could you detail?
>
I prefer cards that bring something new to the game (new concepts, archetypes, some twist on existing decks). This card does exacly the opposite. It makes metagame less differsified which is not good IMO.
> alek wrote:
> I prefer cards that bring something new to the game (new concepts, archetypes, some twist on existing decks). This card does exacly the opposite. It makes metagame less differsified which is not good IMO.
>
I'm not sure it make the meta less diversified. It help some deck existing, while being far from preventing the one that bloat to live.
> jamesatzephyr wrote:
>
> > alek wrote:
> > Very easy to incorporate into deck (Rising needs two other gehannas).
> >
> The card text as given doesn't include the Gehenna keyword.
>
I think he meant that The Slump is easier to play because it doesn't have any requirements, whereas The Rising requires two other Gehenna cards.
It's harder to get unaffected by The Rising though.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Pascal wrote:
> I'd change it to "When blood or pool counters are burned, put them on this card instead. When blood or pool counters would be gained from the blood bank, take them from this card instead."
>
> It basically empties the blood bank.
>
This.
I think the proposed idea is mechanically very interesting, Ankha. Floppy's sugestion makes it flow even better.
However, I agree with Ohlmann: this card hurts decks that survive by bloating while not really affecting the classic archtypes of Stealth-Bleed that survive by deflecting. Would some drawback be in order for the event? Is it's existence even a good thing?
Drain
> Pascal wrote:
> I'd change it to "When blood or pool counters are burned, put them on this card instead. When blood or pool counters would be gained from the blood bank, take them from this card instead."
>
> Or maybe it should just burn when a player is ousted, to avoid confusion on counter-tracking. Probably better.
>
Interesting card. "Zero Sum Game" is what the effect is when it enters play. Not such a bad thing. It will force games to come to a conclusion. I think it should be burned when a Methuselah is ousted. Ousts deserve to be rewarded so giving someone six hard-earned pool should happen even if the Slump Bank is empty. Plus, but this point in the game, the table is likely to collapse due to lack of blood infusions from the edge, hunts and voter captivation.
Would a vampire which plays Govern the Unaligned at DOM miss out of the Slump Bank were empty? I guess they'd have to bleed.
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