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Tzimisce gr2-3 wall : Burn after reading

8 messages from 5 participants · 03 January 2012 – 04 January 2012 · vekn.net/forum
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Ankha

Deck Name : Burn after reading Author : Ankha Description : How do you intend to oust? Mainly by protecting the Smiling Jack and/or Constant Revolution to the death. Occasionally bleeding for 1. The goal is not only to catch the minions coming by, but also to burn them using aggravated damage. How do you intend to keep from being ousted? Deflecting the bleed and blocking+burning the minions. What do you want your ready region to look like (ie, how many guys are you planning on getting out)? 3 vampires, with an additional Ghoul, a Corpse Balloon, and maybe an Abbot. What do you want your average turn to look like? Staying untapped to protect the Smiling Jack, but occasionally equipping or recruiting. What problems have you observed with the deck in play? I haven't played it yet, but i'm not sure at all of the wakes/intercept/combat proportions. Need help there I guess I could put a Milicent Smith or two in the deck, as well as a Scourge of the Enochians and a Fear of Mekhet ("burn! burn! burn!") Rötschreck and DI would fit in too. Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 1 max: 10 average: 5.58333 3x Anarch Convert (1)Caitiff(group 0) 2x Kazimir Savostin (7) Tzimisce(group 3) 2x Caliban (6) Tzimisce(group 2) 2x Corine Marcón (6) Tzimisce(group 2) 1x Lambach (10) cardinalTzimisce(group 2) 1x Meshenka (8) priscusTzimisce(group 2) 1x Sascha Vykos, The Angel of Caine Adv (8) archbishopTzimisce(group 2) Library [90 cards] Action [8] 2x Abbot 3x Constant Revolution 1x Eternal Vigilance 2x Nose of the Hound Ally [4] 2x Asanbonsam Ghoul 2x Underbridge Stray Combat [33] 5x Aura Reading 3x Breath of the Dragon 3x Carrion Crows 8x Chiropteran Marauder 6x Horrid Form 4x Inner Essence 4x Telepathic Tracking Equipment [1] 1x Bowl of Convergence Master [15] 1x Erciyes Fragments, The 1x Fragment of the Book of Nod 1x Path of Metamorphosis, The 2x Pentex(TM) Subversion 1x Powerbase: Montreal 1x Rack, The 3x Smiling Jack, The Anarch 4x Villein 1x Yawp Court Reaction [26] 2x Eagle's Sight 3x Enhanced Senses 4x Eyes of Argus 4x Forced Awakening 3x My Enemy's Enemy 2x On the Qui Vive 1x Precognition 4x Read the Winds 3x Telepathic Misdirection Retainer [3] 3x Corpse Balloon Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Ohlmann

Why telepathic tracking instead of Rotschrek ? Both serve the same purpose and Rotschrek tend to have the job better done. Because of too many master already ? Are you sure for the Path of Metamorphosis with only 9 card to gain from ? While you can defend it, you won't do too much with it. If the goal is to do aggravated damage, why so "few" breath of dragon and so many Horrid Form ? Given the indiscriminate nature of the damage dealing card, shouldn't Telepathic Misdirection be a lot better than My ennemy's ennemy ? With this list, I would fear to kill everyone on the table except my prey, since it will be the least pressured player of the table. I would somehow try to find space for Fiendish Tongue and Changelin to put a little pressure on my prey.

Lucas Halton

vekn.net/index.php/forum/9-event-reports-and-twd/11754-twd-games-of-instinct-bonn-germany-09-oct-2011#11754 This one gets the job done very good. With a few changes in the Master section and by adding Anarch Converts and Caliban this should work out the way you wanted it to.

Ankha

> Ohlmann wrote: > Why telepathic tracking instead of Rotschrek ? Both serve the same purpose and Rotschrek tend to have the job better done. Because of too many master already ? > To get the vampires burnt. Rötschreck would leave them "unharmed". > Ohlmann wrote: > Are you sure for the Path of Metamorphosis with only 9 card to gain from ? While you can defend it, you won't do too much with it. > True. > Ohlmann wrote: > If the goal is to do aggravated damage, why so "few" breath of dragon and so many Horrid Form ? > Chiroptean Marauder. Horrid + Carrion + Chiroptean can burn some vampires. Plus Horrid Form gives some prevent against aggravated especially. > Ohlmann wrote: > Given the indiscriminate nature of the damage dealing card, shouldn't Telepathic Misdirection be a lot better than My ennemy's ennemy ? > I fear that the deck is very blood consuming (hencefor the Path of Metamorphosis). MEE is free, and I don't really care sending the bleed back somewhere else, due to the chaos factor implied by the Smiling Jack. > Ohlmann wrote: > With this list, I would fear to kill everyone on the table except my prey, since it will be the least pressured player of the table. I would somehow try to find space for Fiendish Tongue and Changelin to put a little pressure on my prey. > It's always a risk with Smiling Jack. That's where skill may be needed so everything works fine. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Ohlmann

> Ankha wrote: > Chiroptean Marauder. Horrid + Carrion + Chiroptean can burn some vampires. Plus Horrid Form gives some prevent against aggravated especially. > I may suggest then to look at Body Arsenal, especially if you keep Path of Meta and Inner Essence. With a blood cost reduction (either the path, inner Essence, or some vampires) you can play it for the same price as a Chiroptean, and the cumulable +1 strength make you more likely to burn a vampire. It's still a card a tad too costly for its effect. But if you want to burn people, it may be worth considering. Maybe 2-3 so that people fear burning even at 3 blood ? > Ankha wrote: > It's always a risk with Smiling Jack. That's where skill may be needed so everything works fine. > I understand skill help, but if your prey bloat more than anyone else I don't exactly see how you will kill it, especially since you can't pressure it specifically. An unnamed / enkil cog setting for example seem pretty unbeatable without heavy table help.

Ankha

> Ohlmann wrote: > > > Ankha wrote: > > Chiroptean Marauder. Horrid + Carrion + Chiroptean can burn some vampires. Plus Horrid Form gives some prevent against aggravated especially. > > > I may suggest then to look at Body Arsenal, especially if you keep Path of Meta and Inner Essence. With a blood cost reduction (either the path, inner Essence, or some vampires) you can play it for the same price as a Chiroptean, and the cumulable +1 strength make you more likely to burn a vampire. > > It's still a card a tad too costly for its effect. But if you want to burn people, it may be worth considering. Maybe 2-3 so that people fear burning even at 3 blood ? > It costs too much and doesn't provide the flexibility of Chiroptean. I wanted to play Target Vitals originally, but haven't the slots (for 2+2+2 aggravated) > Ohlmann wrote: > > > Ankha wrote: > > It's always a risk with Smiling Jack. That's where skill may be needed so everything works fine. > > > I understand skill help, but if your prey bloat more than anyone else I don't exactly see how you will kill it, especially since you can't pressure it specifically. An unnamed / enkil cog setting for example seem pretty unbeatable without heavy table help. > I guess that blocking the Unnamed when it gets its Homunculus is the way to go... Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Lemminkäinen

Anarch Revolts and Armies of Rats could put pressure on your prey specifically (well, AR does so as long as you let others go Anarch). Army of Rats seems like an especially good fit since there's already so many things craving (D)action removal or stealing in your deck.

alf

> Ohlmann wrote: > With this list, I would fear to kill everyone on the table except my prey, since it will be the least pressured player of the table. I would somehow try to find space for Fiendish Tongue and Changelin to put a little pressure on my prey. > IMO that's a good point and a workaround to keep the prey from running away would be to use more Eagle's Sight. I'd suggest at between 5-7 depending on deckspace. In addition I'd focus more on Lambach. Regarding the burning of vampires he's very card efficient with his build in +1 strength and special. -Alf <INSERT CLEVER QUOTATION HERE>