Ankha's Crypt: Tzimisce Gr 5-6

Just an attempt to complete the groups 5 & 6. (TBC) Name: Dr. Bratovitch Clan: Tzimisce Group: 5 Capacity: 8 Discipline: ani AUS THA VIC Sabbat. Tremere slave Gargoyles consider Dr. Bratovitch as if he were a Tremere. He may play Biothaumaturgic Experiment from your ash heap as if from your hand. Cards that require Thaumaturgy or Vicissitude cost him 1 less pool. Name: Jack Clan: Tzimisce Group: 5 Capacity: 6 Discipline: ani aus OBF VIC Sabbat bishop: Jack gets an optional maneuver each combat when in combat against an ally. Name: Hedeon Yaroslavich Clan: Tzimisce Group: 5 Capacity: 9 Discipline: ANI AUS DOM VIC Sabbat: Once each turn when combat involving Hedeon ends and the opposing minion is not ready, he may burn a blood to untap. +1 bleed. Name: Buzzsaw Jim Clan: Tzimisce Group: 5 Capacity: 5 Discipline: ani aus VIC Sabbat: Jim may burn a bleed action card from your hand to enter combat with a ready minion as a action. Name: Carl Clan: Tzimisce Group: 5 Capacity: 4 Discipline: ani aus vic Sabbat. Name: Marie-Ange Gagnon Clan: Tzimisce Group: 5 Capacity: 5 Discipline: ani vic AUS Sabbat: When you draw non-replacement cards, you may draw an additional card and put one of the cards drawn on the top of your library. Name: Xipe Totec Clan: Tzimisce Group: 5 Capacity: 8 Discipline: ani AUS CEL VIC Sabbat Archbishop of Guatemala: Cards that give additional strike(s) cost Xipe Totec one less blood. or Sabbat Archbishop of Guatemala: Xipe Totec may burn 1 blood when declaring his initial strike to strike with first strike that round. Name: Martha Long Clan: Tzimisce Group: 5 Capacity: 5 Discipline: tha ANI VIC Sabbat: Once each turn, Martha may burn 1 blood to gain 1 level of Thaumaturgy until the end of the turn. Name: Caldwell Clan: Tzimisce Group: 5 Capacity: 6 Discipline: ANI AUS VIC Sabbat. Name: Ratti-Ben, Sister of Blood Clan: Tzimisce Group: 5 Capacity: 9 10 Discipline: qui ANI AUS CEL VIC Sabbat cardinal: Actions to put vampires in play cost Ratti-Ben 2 less blood. She may end combat and untap the opposing minion (even at long range) as a strike. Name: Stéphanie L'Heureux Clan: Tzimisce Group: 5 Capacity: 7 Discipline: pre FOR THA VIC Sabbat: Stéphanie treats aggravated damage as normal damage. She untaps whenever she takes aggravated damage. She cannot have or recruit mortal retainers. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Some koldunic love ? Or just random thaumaturgy ? Dr. Bratovitvh would be more playable with !tremere gargoyles, so you don't have to mix with Camarilla to have backup. Or give him some fortitude.

There is little use for Bratovic's special since BE stays in play at superior. How about playing them for free instead?

How about VIC plus another in-clan superior for midcaps?

Feels a bit title-light, in addition to what Izaak already said. Drain

> Ohlmann wrote: > Some koldunic love ? Or just random thaumaturgy ? > In VTES, Koldunic Sorcery tends to be represented by (not ). Similarly, Assamite and Setite Sorcery cards show up as Quietus and Serpentis cards. (Though at least several of the vampires at least have ). pckvtes.wordpress.com @pckvtes

> echiang wrote: > In VTES, Koldunic Sorcery tends to be represented by (not ). > I would argue that koldunic sorcery is not represented at all, in fact. Maybe Read the Wind (AUS / ANI), but I can't see any card that represet the koldunic spells in VtES. Except thaumaturgy card, but then again most of what Kolduns could do is what Tremere can do, with some additional warghouls. Not that there is a strong reason to represent it. Kolduns are not very important in modern-day tzimisces, and are hard to represent in VtES card as something special. Theirs works with !Tremere, for Blood Brother creation for example, being the principal workeable idea. (and i does not hought of it before Ankha)

> Ohlmann wrote: > > > echiang wrote: > > In VTES, Koldunic Sorcery tends to be represented by (not ). > > > I would argue that koldunic sorcery is not represented at all, in fact. Maybe Read the Wind (AUS / ANI), but I can't see any card that represet the koldunic spells in VtES. Except thaumaturgy card, but then again most of what Kolduns could do is what Tremere can do, with some additional warghouls. > Name: Root of Vitality [Gehenna:C, Third:PTz] Cardtype: Action Discipline: Vicissitude +1 stealth action. [vic] Rescue a vampire from torpor. [VIC] Move 1 life counter from the blood bank to an ally who has fewer life than his or her starting amount. Artist: Joel Biske Name: Starvation of Marena [Gehenna:C, Third:PTz4] Cardtype: Combat Cost: 1 blood Discipline: Vicissitude [vic] Strike: 2R damage, with an optional press. [VIC] As above, but for 3R damage. Artist: Randy Asplund Velya the Flayer has Koldunic Sorcery 8 Kazimir Savostin has Koldunic Sorcery 3 Lady Zara Slatikov is a Koldun Duality is a Koldun Laika is a Koldun None of these vampires have any Thaumaturgy. I'm not saying this is the "right" (or "wrong") way to represent Koldunic Sorcery. It's just how LSJ and White Wolf chose to represent Koldunic Sorcery. And for the record, Consignment to Duat, Thrones Crumble, The Jones (Setite Akhu or Sorcery) all appear as a Serpentis cards. Loss (Dur-An-Ki) appears as a Quietus card. pckvtes.wordpress.com @pckvtes

> echiang wrote: > Lady Zara Slatikov is a Koldun > Duality is a Koldun > Laika is a Koldun > How it is supposed to be known for thoses three ? I can't find them in RPG supplement and I am not aware of VtES - specific background for any vampire.

> Ankha wrote: > Just an attempt to complete the groups 5 & 6. (TBC) > > Name: Buzzsaw Jim > Clan: Tzimisce > Group: 5 > Capacity: 5 > Discipline: ani aus VIC > Sabbat: Jim may burn a bleed action card from your hand to enter combat with a ready minion as a action. > My favourite of the bunch. A built-in Deep Song? Yes please!

> Ohlmann wrote: > > > echiang wrote: > > Lady Zara Slatikov is a Koldun > > Duality is a Koldun > > Laika is a Koldun > > > How it is supposed to be known for thoses three ? I can't find them in RPG supplement and I am not aware of VtES - specific background for any vampire. > Lady Zara Slatikov is from Chaining the Beast. Duality is from The Red Sign. Laika is from Vampire Storytellers Handbook Revised, Guide to the Sabbat, and Revised Clanbook: Tzimisce pckvtes.wordpress.com @pckvtes

> Ohlmann wrote: > Some koldunic love ? Or just random thaumaturgy ? > > Dr. Bratovitvh would be more playable with !tremere gargoyles, so you don't have to mix with Camarilla to have backup. Or give him some fortitude. > More non-random thaumaturgy rather than Koldun (I avoided the koldun vampires on purpose). I thought it could give new options to Tzimisce, and they would team up with the already existing Stephen Bateson. Concerning the Tremere angle, it's dictated by Dr. Bratovitch's background: > > Dr. Bratovitch True name Brun Bratovitch, Childe of Sir Bratovitch. Brun is sixth generation embraced secret member of the sabbat hiding in Worcester Ma. inside the Camarilla as a member of House Tremere. Brun has stolen the knowledge of Thaumaturgy at level seven with six paths. Currently working on the creation of Gargoyles with Bio-thaumaturgy and vicissitude. > > Non-existant user wrote: > There is little use for Bratovic's special since BE stays in play at superior. How about playing them for free instead? > I thought about it. Currently, you can discard a TE and play it later from your discard. Playing them for free mean you can create a panzer gargoyle, but it would require lots of actions anyway, so I guess playing them for free is ok. > Izaak wrote: > How about VIC plus another in-clan superior for midcaps? > There's Martha Long. The crypt isn't complete yet, but apart from group 2, there's not many 5-cap with two clan disciplines at superior. I'll add a 6-cap later that will have them. > Drain wrote: > Feels a bit title-light, in addition to what Izaak already said. > Hedeon and Jack could be Bishops, true. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Added Caldwell. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> Ankha wrote: > Added Caldwell. > It make group 5 with 2 5-cap with 2 superior discipline (one ANI / VIC, one ANI / AUS), one 5-cap with the three clan in inf and superior VIC, and one 3-disc 6-cap. If it does not allow for very efficient smallish crypt, I don't know what would Also, what is the interaction between Marie-Ange Gagnon and, say, Duality ? (or the count) Super efficient card searching ? You may also want to add another flying tzimisce, so flying may be used outside of gargoyle.

Added Ratti-Ben, Sister of Blood and Stéphanie L'Heureux. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

You know that for consistency reasons, g5 should have about 10 vampires. It already have 2 printed, which left just 8 more ? Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.

Ratti-Ben seems a tad overpowered. No one should have access to free & unrestricted S:CE like that. Plus she's not even paying for that spectacular hability, she already has 11 design points before we include that. I understand that not all crypt cards are created equal and it never bothered me to have some go under the point budget and have others go over it but the ability to end combat X times a turn without restrictions irks me somewhat. Making it "once per turn", assigning it a blood cost, making it work only against allies or cap<X vamps are all acceptable but, in my view, necessary options. Alternately, if you really want to break new ground and have her being the first minion with that kind of hability then unburdening the rest of her text or disciplines is also an option. :Edit: I just finished reading Stéphanie a bit more carefully and noticed that her habilities are not restricted to combat. This makes her a bit of a monster. Her having FOR THA is somewhat over-synergistic (it seems weird even to me to be typing this). So Daring the Dawn for her essentially becomes "Superior Freak Drive with the added benefit of the action not being blockable by vampires" and look, she has inferior presence, just the ticket for dealing with those ally blockers too! Dawn Operation + Weather Control was already feasible before, but it never untapped you in the process. Same goes for Rutor's Hand and Force of Will. I know she still pays a blood cost, has nil blocking prospects and doesn't bounce. Even so I'm unsure about it... I mean, she can bleed fairly heavily followed by a Warghoul recruitment all while being unblockable. I really dig the concept, though, and can see how much of any tweaking might ruin the minion into nerfdom. My light-handed suggestion would be to alter her recruitment disability from only non-mortal retainers to no retainers period. Drain

> Lech wrote: > You know that for consistency reasons, g5 should have about 10 vampires. It already have 2 printed, which left just 8 more ? > ??? Where are you getting that number? In Group 3, every Sabbat clan (except the !Gangrel and the !Tremere) had 8 unique vampires (in which case they should be getting 6 more). The !Gangrel had 10 unique vampires, probably due to the Country/City split. The !Tremere had 10 unique vampires (2 extra) because they were down 2 crypt cards in Group 2 (since they were excluded from Sabbat War). The !Brujah, Lasombra, !Malkavians, !Nosferatu, !Toreador, Tzimisce, and !Ventrue all had only 8 unique vampires in Group 3. So 8 vampires in Group 5, would be the better target for "consistency" (it's arguable whether the !Nosferatu should have 7 or 8 in Group 5, since one of their Sword of Caine slots was an *extra* Group 4 vampire). pckvtes.wordpress.com @pckvtes

Yeah, you are right chiang - i get the number from my broken memory. Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.

Stéphanie l'heureuse, not Stéphanie l'heureux (if she is a she ? The two addition seem very powerful. Force of will as a super-freak drive is a bit much, and the other one may often not be too powerful but is not far from being unkillable since it does not even cost her blood.

> Ohlmann wrote: > Stéphanie l'heureuse, not Stéphanie l'heureux (if she is a she ? > "L'Heureux" is a proper name here, not an epithet. www.amazon.com/Origine-famille-LHEUREUX-Oeuvres-ebook/dp/B005SEK21U

Well, wouldn't be Lheureux and not L'heureux ? The way it is constructed does not look like a typical french family name, but then again maybe Ankha is also fluent in french since he is the french coordinator. In any case, Force of will authorize her for two blood to do three action total, one of which being a bleed at +2. I have an hard time to believe this was the intent, and limiting to combat aggravated damage or not untap on self-inflicted aggravated seem to be at the very least a minimum.

> Ohlmann wrote: > Well, wouldn't be Lheureux and not L'heureux ? The way it is constructed does not look like a typical french family name, but then again maybe Ankha is also fluent in french since he is the french coordinator. > Hmmm. Yes, it would be likely that the French national coordinator is fluent in French. fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Heureux: L'Heureux est un nom de famille notamment porté par : My translation: "Notable people bearing the last name* L'Heureux:" *'surname' outside the US. Sometimes it's spelled with an apostrophe, sometimes it isn't spelled with an apostrophe. Kind of like how my last name, Clark, is sometimes spelled with an 'e' at the end and sometimes it isn't, depending on the family. It's nice that people are concerned with the details of spelling and grammar, but at the same time it is very easy to be mistaken when correcting another person's use of a foreign language.

> Aaron wrote: > It's nice that people are concerned with the details of spelling and grammar, but at the same time it is very easy to be mistaken when correcting another person's use of a foreign language. > I am french too. The remark was here because I hadn't immediatly recalled the meaning of "Prince of Paris", nor did I thought it could be a family name (since it's neither usual nor foreign).

L'Heureux is indead her family name, not an epithet The form isn't wide spread (it's usually spelt Lheureux) but is "legal" About her special: I thought about the synergy with Force of Will and Daring the Dawn, but - it's quite similar to Vasiliy Vasilevich and his +1 bleed/untap when bleeding, - she will be the only only to be able to use this combo. Are you going to play Force of Will with your other vampires? Maybe with some Concordance? Her special is strong, but mixes badly with other vampires - her discipline spread makes her even more difficult to use. No bounce, no clan discipline except VIC. I think she's really interesting to play (especially considering the THA angle of this gr-5 crypt) but definitively you have to build your deck carefully, she's not a broken autoinclude vampire. (And I tried to match her background) Ratti-Ben should probably be a 10-cap. Her special is quite similar to Goddam's, but with a flaw (the opposing vampire is untapped and can do something else). Goddam's is more resilient, but does not have a title. They're quite similar. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> Ohlmann wrote: > Well, wouldn't be Lheureux and not L'heureux ? The way it is constructed does not look like a typical french family name, but then again maybe Ankha is also fluent in french since he is the french coordinator. > I'm merely the Prince of Paris, Floppy's the French coordinator Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> Ankha wrote: > - she will be the only only to be able to use this combo. Are you going to play Force of Will with your other vampires? Maybe with some Concordance? Her special is strong, but mixes badly with other vampires > Well, Una and other star deck show that having only one vampire that do everything may not be too much of a handicap, especially when she can act three to five time per turn. You could for example put some Salubri to keep her filled with blood and puppet marionnet the would-be deflector (with the additional benefit of already having a use for Daring the dawn). Extremely hard to kill with Fortitude and resistance to aggravated, and a LOT of action. In fact, the hard part is more using thoses actions than untapping her ; but I don't think it's a big problem.

> Ohlmann wrote: > > I am french too. The remark was here because I hadn't immediatly recalled the meaning of "Prince of Paris", nor did I thought it could be a family name (since it's neither usual nor foreign). > Well, see, this is the perfect opportunity to update your public profile so that people know a little more about you than "gender unknown".

@Aaron : call me paranoid, but I don't give personnal information that could link to me in real life on public profile, as to not have thoses information in the hand of corporation that wold make money off them without my consent. One turn with Stéphanie : action 1 : recruit a corpse ballon action 2 : bleed with force of will action 3 : recruit a war ghoul It's not too difficult to do, it cost only two blood (plus eventual combat) and it seem extremely efficient for a 7-cap.

> Ohlmann wrote: > @Aaron : call me paranoid, but I don't give personnal information that could link to me in real life on public profile, as to not have thoses information in the hand of corporation that wold make money off them without my consent. > > One turn with Stéphanie : > > action 1 : recruit a corpse ballon > action 2 : bleed with force of will > action 3 : recruit a war ghoul > > It's not too difficult to do, it cost only two blood (plus eventual combat) and it seem extremely efficient for a 7-cap. > It is efficient, but many vampires are efficient when playing 3 cards. Ozmo bleeding for 6 is efficient too. Any Tzimisce with fortitude can already perform actions 1 and 3 in the same turn with a Freak Drive. Adding that free bleed in Force of Will in the middle is great, but not game-breaking. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

But Tzimisce with Fortitude are rare and often big - in fact, the other two that have superior Fortitude are 10-cap, and the two 5-cap with inferior does not have common sup' disc, one of them being unable to get Vis stealth while unable to untap on failed action. And as 5-cap they are significantly faster to come out than the L'Heureux I do believe it's a bit too much synergy in this. It's funny to see all the use of self-inflicted aggravated damage, but I believe it has potential to be broken.