Card idea: Shadow of Mammon

Name: Shadow of Mammon Cardtype: Agenda You may play Tend the Flock as if you control a ready untapped 11-capacity infernal Baali. During your untap phase, pay 2 pool or burn this card. When this card is burned, all non-infernal vampires you control become infernal. Thoughts? Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

I love the idea for three reason. * The agenda type is very flavorful and may give good thing to the game. It remind me of Sensei in L5R. * The card itself can help Striga and Maleficia, even if only a little bit. * The card have enough drawback to not be an auto-include. I emit doubt if no other Agenda are done, but the idea can be expanded. Also, I think that it should not in any case go into the first VEKN expansion, to avoid drawing additional hate on the set. (but then again, it's a personnal opinion and I am not participating to the set anyway)

While I think, Agenda concept is fine, I don't tihnk we should introduce any additionall rules to the game, which is already very complicated and has a lot of rules. On the card itself, paying two pool each untap would make it playable only in deck with huge numbers of tend the flock.

I don't have any pretention to have some of my cards in the sets anyway (though I would be very happy of course if it happened), I'm just having fun creating cards and ideas that could fit in. It's the difficulty of the exercice that pleases me. I would agree that the new set shouldn't have any additional rule so it will be more easily accepted. Introducing new concepts on the other hand is very good to open deck (or card) possibilities. It could happen later. About the card, the expensive upkeep is of course there to prevent people from including it without thinking. It can speed up your influence if you have Tend the Flock in your starting hand or be pool lost if you don't have any, so it's pretty risky. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

During which phase would you play the Agenda? Is it an Event subtype? Is it a new phase? Maybe before Master phase so you could play a Tend the Flock without waiting? Or after the Master phase so they have to pay the 2 pool at least once before gaining the effect. Or does it start the game in play? Edit: Oh hey look! "Agenda" was a link to a whole topic that defined it. Ignore this here post unless you were similarly confused about this "new" type.

With a bit of reflexion, this agenda may accelerate big cap a bit too much. You can put into play a horde at turn 1 and the unnamed at the end of turn two for the low price of 11 pool ! It's not too bad, since they are infernal and everything, but it may be a bit overwhelming.

> Ohlmann wrote: > With a bit of reflexion, this agenda may accelerate big cap a bit too much. You can put into play a horde at turn 1 and the unnamed at the end of turn two for the low price of 11 pool ! > > It's not too bad, since they are infernal and everything, but it may be a bit overwhelming. > True, but you have to be lucky and have two Tend the Flocks in hand in the two first turn. Otherwise, you simply lose pool with no gain. This means that you'll probably play a *lot* of Tend the Flock that will slow you later during the game (slow card flow, MPA cost). Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

I don't like this card much: 1. The effect is too "narrow", not universal, one purpose only 2. Card names another card in it's text 3. To use side effect of this card (make infernals) you pay 2+2+.. pool during untap phases to put vampires in play and use effect... well, i've said that effect is too narrow. I'd like to see a card that could produce the same effect, but be more universal. For example: Name: Shadow of Mammon ? Masterful influence Cardtype: Agenda You may play master cards (that are not put in play on a vampires) as if you control a ready untapped 11-capacity vampire of any clan. During your untap phase, pay 2 pool or burn this card. Ow, and imho, it'd be nice if Agenda cards were played "As master phase action, search your hand or library for agenda card and put in play. A methuselah may have only one Agenda card in play."

If your looking for a new mechanic how about... Agenda - before your untap phase you may skip your turn to search your library and put an Agenda card in play.

Oops, just saw the link to your other thread.

> jAvel wrote: > I don't like this card much: > 1. The effect is too "narrow", not universal, one purpose only > 2. Card names another card in it's text > 3. To use side effect of this card (make infernals) you pay 2+2+.. pool during untap phases to put vampires in play and use effect... well, i've said that effect is too narrow. > 1. it's just like saying that the Campground Hunting Ground is not universal. What if this agenda was the first of a series? 2. I guess this is just a feeling that has nothing to do with card design. Many cards already use the name of another card. By being specific here, I'm sure there's no "trick" implied by a more general formulation (like a Golconda that could be played on your version). 3. this side effect is supposed to be a flavorful drawback, not a make-infernal mecanics. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

I do agree that the effect is narrow, but in a bit of a different sense. Since I don't usually like to see cards mentioned by name unnecessarily, why not go all the way and make the text so that the Meth may play any given master card as though he controlled an untapped infernal 11-cap Baali? That would extend the benefit to the rather-inofensive Ruins of Charizel and allow for some future improvement of the card's abilities. Other than that, excellent work on that Mage set of mechanics, hadn't seen those prior to reading this post. Drain