This is the fourth poll of the "problematic" cards.
After we had a decent discussion about Lilith's Blessing now comes the poll. There were arguments against the card and for the card. Please read through those arguments and make your decision about wether and in what way the card should be changed in your opinion.
Lilith's Blessing
Master
[1 Pool]
Master.
Put this card in play. As a master phase action, you may tap this card to search your library for a master: Discipline card and choose a ready non-Bahari vampire you control who has no blood. That vampire gains the Discipline card (if any) and 3 blood and becomes Bahari.
The poll is up for three weeks from now on. Please tell everybody about it so we can get a most significant result out of a broad participation.
Please keep in mind that the result however is the opinion of all participants which does not mean it is that of all players.
Furthermore the outcome of this poll does not necessarily mean something changes or stays the same.
Baron of Frankfurt
> Lönkka wrote:
> Any and all the proposed changes in the poll sound good to me. I'm unable to choose (except from no change or banning)
>
Hm, just take the most urgent point in your opinion.
Baron of Frankfurt
Please notice that options
Make Bahari a sect (excl. vamps from sect goodies) AND
Let Baharis lose their titles.
let the cardtext unchanged. It rather need an update in the rulesbook. I did not have enough space for adding this fact.
Baron of Frankfurt
> Joscha wrote:
> Please notice that options
>
> Make Bahari a sect (excl. vamps from sect goodies) AND
> Let Baharis lose their titles.
>
> let the cardtext unchanged. It rather need an update in the rulesbook. I did not have enough space for adding this fact.
>
Since the only way to get either the current card text or rules are from this page I'm not sure if there's a huge difference between those two (card text vs rules change).
> henrik wrote:
>
> > Joscha wrote:
> > Please notice that options
> >
> > Make Bahari a sect (excl. vamps from sect goodies) AND
> > Let Baharis lose their titles.
> >
> > let the cardtext unchanged. It rather need an update in the rulesbook. I did not have enough space for adding this fact.
> >
> Since the only way to get either the current card text or rules are from this page I'm not sure if there's a huge difference between those two (card text vs rules change).
>
The difference is you can still play the card with the text printed on it. Admitted you have to know what special Bahari has got, but that maybe is better than to tell everybody that the text has changed. I now realize that it's not a huge difference, granted.
Baron of Frankfurt
> Joscha wrote:
> Make Bahari a sect (excl. vamps from sect goodies) AND
> Let Baharis lose their titles.
>
> let the cardtext unchanged. It rather need an update in the rulesbook. I did not have enough space for adding this fact.
>
Why are they 2 different options? Losing one's title is a consequence of changing sects.
> Non-existant user wrote:
>
> > Joscha wrote:
> > Make Bahari a sect (excl. vamps from sect goodies) AND
> > Let Baharis lose their titles.
> >
> > let the cardtext unchanged. It rather need an update in the rulesbook. I did not have enough space for adding this fact.
> >
> Why are they 2 different options? Losing one's title is a consequence of changing sects.
>
Not if you have a title that doesn't require a sect (see Kephamos, Synesios etc.)
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Non-existant user wrote:
> Why are they 2 different options? Losing one's title is a consequence of changing sects.
>
Ankha makes the point that some titles aren't sect-bound.
Additionally, if you're a Sabbat Archbishop and lose your title, you can still benefit from Sabbat-specific effects. If the "lose your title" is also a one-time effect, you could also regain a new title more easily. e.g. I could play Regent on my not-an-Archbiship-anymore Bahari vampire.
From what I am told Bahari are Pariah in the vampire communities (WoD RPG).
How about...
A titled non-Bahari vampire can take a action to make a Bahari vampire Red List.
and
Any (non-bahari?) vampire can call a vote to make a Bahari vampire Red List.
This does not change card text in any way nor does it give a way to exploit the change, unless you think Rebirth is just that good.