Meddling of the Assyrians
Cardtype: Master
Cost: 3 pool.
Master: out-of-turn.
Cancel a master card played by another Methuselah as it is played.
Go to all Ash Heaps and remove from the game all copies of the canceled master card.
Only one Meddling of the Assyrians may be played each game.
This is an attempt to limit recursion of Masters, as given by a friend of mine who no longer plays, Carlos Santos, and with some tweaks by me.
Too strong? Too idiotic? Destroys completely the strategy of some decks?
First, the cost is not trivial.
Second, worse case scenario its an awful Sudden Reversal that can still save your star minion from that killing Pentex. Remember kids, no (no cost is paid) clause, so you bur 3 pool, but the other guy also pays for the canceled master card.
Thirdly, all Ashur Tablet decks, Parthelios and Sudario Decks will use it for defence. Ok - that's like a tax of 3 pool, one slot and one master phase action.
I tried to stay away of cards naming other cards, specially to hurt them. I think that's bad design.
Another thing we tried was to create something balanced.
What do ya say?
> Brum wrote:
> Meddling of the Assyrians
> Cardtype: Master
> Cost: 3 pool.
> Master: out-of-turn.
> Cancel a master card played by another Methuselah as it is played.
> Go to all Ash Heaps and remove from the game all copies of the canceled master card.
> Only one Meddling of the Assyrians may be played each game.
>
Not a bad idea, but most decks won't afford the 3 pool cost. And making it playable only 1 each game contradicts the goal of the card (allowing to get rid of 1 recursive master)0
The wording can be made more simple.
Meddling of the Assyrians
Cardtype: Master
Cost: 3 pool.
Master: out-of-turn.
Cancel a master card played by another Methuselah as it is played, then remove from the game all copies of that card from all ash heaps. Only one Meddling of the Assyrians may be played each game.
I would change the limit to "Each Methuselah may play only one Meddling of the Assyrians each game."
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> Brum wrote:
> Remember kids, no (no cost is paid) clause, so you bur 3 pool, but the other guy also pays for the canceled master card.
>
And no non out-of-turn clause either, so it will be even more hilarious on an Archon Investigation
I don't like it. It's master card which main goal is to cancel other masters. Introducing such cards leads to decks with more masters and less minion cards which means less minion interactions and more play a card-counterspell-counter your counter type of play which should be avoided as much as possible in vtes.
Apart from this at 3 pool it would be playable only in heavy bloat decks.
Amazing concept.
I like it.
It promotes players to diversify their deck construction and stop using training wheel combinations to win the game through bloat etc.
Mature players need mature deck construction opportunities to expand and evolve the game beyond tried and true spam combinations.
> Non-existant user wrote:
> And no non out-of-turn clause either, so it will be even more hilarious on an Archon Investigation
>
If one of your vampire is being AI-ed, it's very likely that it's your turn, so you can't play the Meddling of the Assyrian. You can do it as a favor to a cross-table buddy, with Enkil Cog, or Madness network, but they are fringe case.
For the same reason, it will rarely work against Rotschrek. As far as I know, neither Rotscrechk nor Archon Investigation cause real trouble, so...
And it's pretty expensive. You'd better understand pretty well your opponent tactics before playing this.
The cost is one of my questions about this.
But my main issue here is the concept of the card itself.
It deals with recursion in a way that does not turn tables around all of a sudden and can still work as a regular Sudden Reversal, although much more expensive.
The cost will be decided with playtest if this card gets chosen.