New Crypt Cards

Hello! I've made some new vampires, and I would appreciate some comments about the! Monty Coven (Mithras) ADV Ventrue antitribu Capacity: 8, Gr: 5 QUI OBF CEL pre for dom Sabbat. Once each turn, Monty can play political actions that require a prince, if he burns a blood and his controller discards a card at random from his or her hand (do not replace it until your discard phase). MERGE: Archbishop of London: +1 strenght Vlad Tepes Tzimisce Capacity: 10, Gr: 6 VIC AUS ANI THA pro Independent. Has 1 vote (titled). Vlad can prevent 1 damage once each combat. +1 bleed. Nuriel Salubri Capacity: 9 Gr: 5 OBE FOR AUS POT Independent. Nuriel may attack any younger vampire controlled by your predator or prey as a D action. +1 strenght. Scarce. Maciej Zarnovich, The Angel of Cruelty Tzimisce Capacity: 8 Gr: 6 VIC ANI aus dom pre Sabbat. Recruiting allies or employing retainers that requires Vicissitude or Tzimisce costs him 1 less blood or pool. +1 stealth.

> Poci wrote: > Hello! > > I've made some new vampires, and I would appreciate some comments about the! > > Monty Coven (Mithras) ADV > Ventrue antitribu > Capacity: 8, Gr: 5 > QUI OBF CEL pre for dom > > Sabbat. Once each turn, Monty can play political actions that require a prince, if he burns a blood and his controller discards a card at random from his or her hand (do not replace it until your discard phase). > MERGE: Archbishop of London: +1 strenght > I would change it to: Each action, Monty may burn 1 blood to play cards as Prince of London. > Poci wrote: > Vlad Tepes > Tzimisce > Capacity: 10, Gr: 6 > VIC AUS ANI THA pro > > Independent. Has 1 vote (titled). Vlad can prevent 1 damage once each combat. +1 bleed. > Replace his with , perhaps give him out of the box. > Poci wrote: > Nuriel > Salubri > Capacity: 9 Gr: 5 > OBE FOR AUS POT > > Independent. Nuriel may attack any younger vampire controlled by your predator or prey as a D action. +1 strenght. Scarce. > Not instead of ? > Poci wrote: > Maciej Zarnovich, The Angel of Cruelty > Tzimisce > Capacity: 8 Gr: 6 > VIC ANI aus dom pre > > Sabbat. Recruiting allies or employing retainers that requires Vicissitude or Tzimisce costs him 1 less blood or pool. +1 stealth. > I don't like him. Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.

Hi, > > Poci wrote: > Monty Coven (Mithras) ADV > Ventrue antitribu > Capacity: 8, Gr: 5 > QUI OBF CEL pre for dom > > Sabbat. Once each turn, Monty can play political actions that require a prince, if he burns a blood and his controller discards a card at random from his or her hand (do not replace it until your discard phase). > MERGE: Archbishop of London: +1 strenght > This vampire maybe has a background I'm not aware of, but he's strange for a Ventrue antitribu (none of the superior discipline is in-clan, he's sabbat and may play cards as a prince?) And he has no base version, so why is this the advanced version? I would change the wording, but the concept seems wrong anyway. > Poci wrote: > Vlad Tepes > Tzimisce > Capacity: 10, Gr: 6 > VIC AUS ANI THA pro > > Independent. Has 1 vote (titled). Vlad can prevent 1 damage once each combat. +1 bleed. > Seems too week for a 10-cap. I would give him at least one additional superior discipline (OBF maybe). Wording should be: Independent: Vlad Tepes has 1 vote (titled). He can prevent 1 damage once each combat. +1 bleed. Not a very exciting vampire though (especially for Vlad Tepes) > Poci wrote: > Nuriel > Salubri > Capacity: 9 Gr: 5 > OBE FOR AUS POT > > Independent. Nuriel may attack any younger vampire controlled by your predator or prey as a D action. +1 strenght. Scarce. > Interesting vampire, Anesthetic Touch will shine with him. I would remove the "younger" clause because prey/predator is already restrictive. Wording: Independent. Nuriel can enter combat with any vampire controlled by your predator or prey as a action. +1 strenght. Scarce. > Poci wrote: > Maciej Zarnovich, The Angel of Cruelty > Tzimisce > Capacity: 8 Gr: 6 > VIC ANI aus dom pre > Sabbat. Recruiting allies or employing retainers that requires Vicissitude or Tzimisce costs him 1 less blood or pool. +1 stealth. > Seems balanced, though quite similar to the Little Tailor of Prague. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Monty Coven should be Assamite. He have base version. He have backstory to cover clan change (he drank Ventrue elder and was subdued by him), but i dont think it's warranted. Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.

@ Ankha : Base Monty : Monty Coven, 8, dom for pre CEL OBF QUI, Assamite, 5, Sabbat: If Montyburns a titled vampire, he may become a bishop. If the burned vampire`stitle was worth more than two votes, he can become a priscus instead.(The blood curse does not affect Monty.) But you are right, i see no relevance to base and adv. text... Also, a Salubri rusher is against the spirit of the clan. They are healers not killers.

> Poci wrote: > Vlad Tepes > Tzimisce > Capacity: 10, Gr: 6 > VIC AUS ANI THA pro > > Independent. Has 1 vote (titled). Vlad can prevent 1 damage once each combat. +1 bleed. > I would like to see Vlad in the game. But since he is rumored to be a Inconnu, I would like to see him with a special Inconnu text. Like +x bleed, where x is the number of inconnu cards in play. Or Vlad may search your library for a Inconnu card and put it into play as a +1 stealth action.

Thank you for all the fast feedbacks! The reason why they all seem to be a little bit underpowered, because I didn't want to overpower them straight away. Monty, in its basic form, is theoretically useless, but in his backstory, I think this variant can be viable! He diablerized of one of (if not...) the eldest known Ventrue! His backstory clearly indicates that the soul of Mithras will soon overthrow Monty's. Clear, that he will remain sabbat, but in an underpowered version, he'll be still Mithras, a 4th gen. Ventrue. His special is way poweful, so I thought that it had to be tuned down. His discipline layout is good for vote, bleed and has OBF, plus if Merged, 2 votes. His backstory is good enough IMHO to make the clan change (he'll not be the first to do such). I agree, that for vlad, dominate should be better tha vic. more superior discipline? Hmmm....obfuscate seems viable, or protean sup. maybe? About Nuriel, he is the greatest warrior of his clan. Maybe the younger restriction should remain, and inferior val should be added (Salubris are alwals a bit OP) Zarnovich should be 1 cap lower, I missed that.

> Poci wrote: > About Nuriel, he is the greatest warrior of his clan. Maybe the younger restriction should remain, and inferior val should be added (Salubris are alwals a bit OP) > ???? Where is that... Salubri are a clan of healers, and a warrior path was created by Samiel, and he passed down his codex to Qawwiya, lioness of Jerusalem when he went to die... Never heard of this Nuriel?

Then do some research... He is not on the warrior path. They are not only healers, they are wanderers. Jack-O-Daws for example is a thief, who steals rare manuscripts and such. Everyone of them serves in their own way, but all of them is loyal to his blood.

> Pendargon wrote: > Never heard of this Nuriel? > Nuriel is the childe of Akhraziel, and he is most likely 5th generation. Read about him in Clanbook Salubri, pages 15 and 65. As for Vlad Tepes, he is the most famous kindred of all time, hunted and troublecausing, I think he should have some gamebreaking effect! I propose: Vlad Tepes Tzimisce Capacity: 10, Gr: 6 VIC ANI DOM THA PRO aus for Independent. Each methuselah burn 1 pool each untap phase while Vlad is ready. A methuselah may tap a ready vampire of capacity above 6 to avoid burning this pool. +1 bleed. An advanced version of Vlad should include something about the Inconnu (I like Baaliprimogens suggestion of "Vlad may search your library for a Inconnu card and put it into play as a +1 stealth action.") As for Monty, he is still Assamite, even though Mithras is inside his body. Mithras was/is one of the most powerful Ventrues ever, "something old and wise and terrible". Monty should reflect this, although not having political power within the Camarilla. I propose: Monty Coven CEL OBF QUI dom for pre Assamite Capacity: 8 Group: 5 Sabbat. You and Monty may play cards that require Camarilla and/or Ventrue as if Monty were a Ventrue. (The blood curse does not affect Monty.) Merged: Monty has DOM, FOR, PRE and +2 bleed. "My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."

> Ashur wrote: > Sabbat. You and Monty may play cards that require Camarilla and/or Ventrue as if Monty were a Ventrue. (The blood curse does not affect Monty.) > Merged: Monty has DOM, FOR, PRE and +2 bleed. > Just on a technical point, playing a card as if you were a Ventrue doesn't imply the Camarilla sect. By contrast, Kemintiri playing a card as if she were a Justicar does imply meeting any Camarilla sect requirements, because Justicars must be Camarilla. [LSJ 20050224] > LSJ wrote: > > The arguments made about Kemintiri revolve around LSJ pointing out that > > "'Requires a justicar' is shorthand for 'Requires a Camarilla vampire > > with a justicar title'". > > > But 'Requires a Ventrue' is NOT the same thing as 'Requires a Camarilla > > Ventrue'; nothing prevents Mata Hari from playing cards as an > > independent Ventrue, nor does anything about playing a card as a > > Ventrue inherently or by card text override the text on her card saying > > "Independent" and force her to play cards as a Camarilla Ventrue. > > > If there was a hypothetical 'requires an Anarch Tremere' card, and Mata > > Hari was Anarch, she could play it; choosing to play it as a Tremere > > would not force her to also play it as a Camarilla Tremere. > > Correct. If she is Independent and plays a card that requires a Tremere > as a Tremere, she plays it as an Independent Tremere. > So, for example, if Monty wanted to call Camarilla Exemplary (requires a Camarilla vampire), he'd call it as a Ventrue - but a Ventrue of whatever his ordinary sect is, which would mean he didn't meet the requirements if he wasn't already Camarilla. The quick fix is: "as if Monty were a Camarilla Ventrue"

> jamesatzephyr wrote: > The quick fix is: > "as if Monty were a Camarilla Ventrue" > Solid. Thanks! As for Vlad Tepes - maybe I wasn´t gamebreaking enough. A friend suggested: Vlad Tepes Tzimisce Capacity: 10, Gr: 6 VIC ANI DOM THA PRO aus for Independent. Each methuselah burn 1 pool each untap phase while Vlad is ready. All vampires have -1 stealth while Vlad is ready. +1 bleed. "My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."

vic is only sabbat. so do vlad tapas have vicicitude? tzm antitribos doesn't have

Vic is not sabbat only, Tzimisce antitribu does not exist, and even if they were existing Vlad Tepes would not be one of them.

is nearly exclusive for sabbat, just like . There is old clan Tzimisce with instead of , so i guess he mixed it. Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.

That's true. The old Tzimisce existence is somewhat disputable in WOD, but so is Nagaraja and they exist in VtES. But they are still black hand and not Camarilla. ANd for Vlad Tepes, he's not camarilla, can't became one without brainwashing somebody to force him, and is so remote to the camarilla ideals that even if Tzimisce antitribu existed he would not be in it.