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card idea: thanatosis torpor tricks

5 messages from 3 participants · 04 November 2011 – 12 January 2012 · vekn.net/forum
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Molloy

Apparent Death Action. Only usable by a vampire in torpor. If the acting vampire is blocked, there is no combat. If the blocking is a vampire who can commit diablerie, that vampire may diablerize the acting vampire. [for] +1 stealth action. The acting vampire leaves torpor. [thn] -1 stealth action. Bleed. If the bleed is successful, burn this acting vampire at the end of the action. [THN] Bleed. Sabbat. Animals, Wraiths and Zombies Molloy recruits or employs get an additional life.

Ankha

I like it very much. It's dangerous as hell, but gives Samedi an unexpected weapon. I'm a bit concerned by the "burn this acting vampire at the end of the action." part at thn because I sense there may be a trick with a turbo-baron kind of stuff. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Molloy

"I'm a bit concerned by the "burn this acting vampire at the end of the action." part at thn because I sense there may be a trick with a turbo-baron kind of stuff." I know what you mean, but removing the vampire from the game (which I thought about) would be too big a penalty. The -1 stealth and the need to be in torpor should be enough to make this ineffective for turbo-strategies, shouldn't it? Sabbat. Animals, Wraiths and Zombies Molloy recruits or employs get an additional life.

Ankha

> Molloy wrote: > "I'm a bit concerned by the "burn this acting vampire at the end of the action." part at thn because I sense there may be a trick with a turbo-baron kind of stuff." > > I know what you mean, but removing the vampire from the game (which I thought about) would be too big a penalty. The -1 stealth and the need to be in torpor should be enough to make this ineffective for turbo-strategies, shouldn't it? > No. Suppose the Baron performs an action + Daring the Dawn + Freak Drive. It ends in torpor. Then it plays Apparent Death at inf, being sure to burn, whatever blood he has left. I don't know if this has a big impact or not in fact. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Tomas

> Molloy wrote: > Apparent Death > Action. > Only usable by a vampire in torpor. If the acting vampire is blocked, there is no combat. If the blocking is a vampire who can commit diablerie, that vampire may diablerize the acting vampire. > [for] +1 stealth action. The acting vampire leaves torpor. > [thn] -1 stealth action. Bleed. If the bleed is successful, burn this acting vampire at the end of the action. > [THN] Bleed. > I would even suggest that the superior version of the action wouldn´t count against the only able to bleed once per turn per minion rule or add text clause from taking the skin: Minon so each minion can only do this once per turn. Then I feel it could perhaps even be tournamentviable. It has quite a high threshold with a superior bloodlinediscipline and you need to be in torpor and you run the risk of being diablerized.