First question:
Is there any difference between wordings "equipment card" and "equipment"? More clearly - is there any difference between "Destroy/find/steal equipment" and "Destroy/find/steal equipment card"? Since not all equipment cards are equipment in game terms.
Second question:
What is the term you use for a period in which all players take their turns proceeding clockwise, returning to the first player?
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Cypher, Matrix
> Megabaja wrote:
> First question:
>
> Is there any difference between wordings "equipment card" and "equipment"? More clearly - is there any difference between "Destroy/find/steal equipment" and "Destroy/find/steal equipment card"? Since not all equipment cards are equipment in game terms.
>
Not practically. Do you have a concrete example in mind?
> Megabaja wrote:
> Second question:
>
> What is the term you use for a period in which all players take their turns proceeding clockwise, returning to the first player?
>
There is no term.
Cards use "until your next untap phase".
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> Arcanum Investigator
> Type: Ally
> Cost: 2 pool
> Mortal with 2 life. 1 strength, 0 bleed.
> As a action, Arcanum Investigator can burn an equipment card possessed by a minion controlled by your predator or prey.
>
> Canine Horde
> Type: Combat
> Requires: Animalism
> [ani] Strike: 1R damage.
> [ANI] Strike: ranged; destroy equipment with first strike.
>
> Dartmoor, England
> Type: Equipment
> Cost: 2 blood
> This equipment card represents a unique location and does not count as equipment while in play.
> The vampire with this location gets +1 stealth on any action requiring Animalism or Protean.
>
See... now - you cannot destroy Dartmoor with Canine Horde, because of the text, but can you destroy it with Arcanum Investigator?
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Cypher, Matrix
Dartmoor (and other loquipments) are equipments while not in play, and are locations while in play. [LSJ 19971020] .
"Equipment" and "equipment card" are synonyms. I'll add it to the Review, in order to have cardtext coherence.
Regarding the second question: This lapse of time has no name in VTES. Cards use "until your untap phase", mostly.
Yes they are locations while in play, but above example considers type of card ( action, equipment, retainer, reaction) rather then type of equipment ( weapon, location, vehicle). In cases where actions are not supposed to work with loquipments, card text states that clearly. Thats why I bolded Dartmoor text - that text makes difference between equipment and equipment card stating that locquipment stays equipment card type, but loses equipment status. Pnly Living Manse has different type of text.
There are many confusing examples.
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Cypher, Matrix
Here's the quote from LSJ I linked above:
> LSJ wrote:
> Loquipment is just equipment when it isn't in play (and is just
> location when it is in play).
>
Dartmoor isn't an equipment while in play. It's a location. (also notice: it isn't an action card neither). You therefore can't burn it with Arcane Apraiser (which can only burn equipments [== equipment cards], not locations.)
Then what type of card location in play is? And what about master card locations, they are not master card type?
Think a bit on it.
> This equipment card represents a unique location and does not count as equipment while in play.
>
This sentence states that location stays equipment card type, but represents something else.
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Cypher, Matrix
> Megabaja wrote:
> Then what type of card location in play is?
>
A location.
> Megabaja wrote:
> And what about master card locations, they are not master card type?
>
They are. They are also locations. And library cards.
> Megabaja wrote:
> Think a bit on it.
>
> > This equipment card represents a unique location and does not count as equipment while in play.
> >
> This sentence states that location stays equipment card type, but represents something else.
>
Thoughts have been given on this point. Questions have been asked. Rulings have been made. And I'm not going to reverse these antediluvian points.
Ask yourself: do you retrieve the Ankara Citadel when you diablerize the vampire it is on? (answer is: "no" [LSJ 20030607] )
Can you transfer locations with Heidelberg Castle? (answer is: "no" [LSJ 20020411] ).
This last post also reads this:
[LSJ 20020411] wrote:
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> [..] "equipment card" means, for a card in play, a "card that represents equipment".
>
In this game, "represents" (and "is considered as") is an equivalent to "is".
Ok, then.
I have a slight barrier with english grammar, that's making a lot of confusion to me. Sorry for wasting your time.
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Cypher, Matrix