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LSJ: Can Etrius' (D) action target himself?

5 messages from 4 participants · 07 December 2006
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d

I was just wondering if Etrius can target himself with the "may steal up to 3 blood from a Tremere vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action" text. Most obvious application of this is with Perfectionist when Restricted Vitae is in play. If anyone has some other ideas, that would be interesting.... It's just good to know he may have access to a cardless action, even if it has no net effect when self-directed. Actually, I think I saw an Etrius wall/Restricted Vitae/Croc Tongue deck on the newsgroup a while back. This perfectionist tech would be useful there.

hp

d wrote: > I was just wondering if Etrius can target himself with the "may steal > up to 3 blood from a Tremere vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action" text. > > > Most obvious application of this is with Perfectionist when Restricted > Vitae is in play. If anyone has some other ideas, that would be > interesting.... > > It's just good to know he may have access to a cardless action, even if > it has no net effect when self-directed. The Rulebook says it all: 6.2.2. Resolve Any Block Attempts If the action targets another Methuselah (or something controlled by another Methuselah), then the action is called directed. So, the answer is no. You can't target yourself or something controlled by you with (D) actions. Best, Heikki P.

Jozxyqk

hp <hes...@yahoo.com> wrote: > The Rulebook says it all: > 6.2.2. Resolve Any Block Attempts > If the action targets another Methuselah (or something controlled by > another Methuselah), then the action is called directed. > So, the answer is no. You can't target yourself or something controlled > by you with (D) actions. Sorry, Heikki, but that's an incorrect interpretation of the rulebook rule on D actions. You can (usually) take "D actions" at your own minions, except for entering combat with them (explicitly disallowed by the rulebook). This turns the actions into "undirected actions", even if there is a (D) symbol or the word "directed" on the card.

LSJ

hp wrote: > d wrote: >> I was just wondering if Etrius can target himself with the "may steal >> up to 3 blood from a Tremere vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action" text. Yes. >> Most obvious application of this is with Perfectionist when Restricted >> Vitae is in play. If anyone has some other ideas, that would be >> interesting.... >> >> It's just good to know he may have access to a cardless action, even if >> it has no net effect when self-directed. > > The Rulebook says it all: > > 6.2.2. Resolve Any Block Attempts > If the action targets another Methuselah (or something controlled by > another Methuselah), then the action is called directed. > > So, the answer is no. You can't target yourself or something controlled > by you with (D) actions. That's stated backwards. From the same section: "As a convenience, when a card describes an action that is typically directed at another Methuselah, the card's text will usually include a (D) symbol as a reminder that the action is typically directed. " The action's target determines whether the action is directed, not the other way around. If Etrius' action targets himself, then the action is undirected.

hp

[ quoted text not captured ] Oh dear. Anyway, thanks for clearing that up (also to mr. J above). Best, Heikki P.