A New Challenge

Here's another puzzler for you: IN a DCI tournament game, how many ways can you not lose any pool to a successful domain challenge that you call? [I'm not talking about gaining more pool than you lose, I am talking about not losing any pool] and here's a hint: Domain Challenge Cardtype: Political Action Political Card-Worth 1 Vote. Called by any vampire at +1 stealth. Successful <referendum> means each Methuselah burns 1 pool for each tapped minion he or she controls. Official Rulings Domain Challenge - Political Action Tapped minions are counted after the referendum is completed. [RTR 19941109] Stu -Your Friendly Neighborhood Camarilla Scholar Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

> Here's another puzzler for you: > IN a DCI tournament game, how many ways can you not lose any pool to a > successful domain challenge that you call? > [I'm not talking about gaining more pool than you lose, I am talking > about not losing any pool] I can only think of 2 ways. * Call the vote on the first action of your turn and Bribe it. * Control Alexandra and another Toreador. Call the vote on the first action of your turn and during the PA, use Alexandra's special during the referendum. Sorrow

> > * Call the vote on the first action of your turn and Bribe it. > That doesn't count. You still lose pool to the Domain Challenge. Well, then the only way I can think of is with Alexandra. Although, I still think the above should be valid. :p Sorrow

On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Sorrow wrote: > * Call the vote on the first action of your turn and Bribe it. That doesn't count. You still lose pool to the Domain Challenge. -- James Coupe

In article <80sn99$o7u$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, pie...@my-deja.com wrote: > Here's another puzzler for you: > > IN a DCI tournament game, how many ways can you not lose any pool to a > successful domain challenge that you call? > > [I'm not talking about gaining more pool than you lose, I am talking > about not losing any pool] > > and here's a hint: > > Domain Challenge > Cardtype: Political Action > Political Card-Worth 1 Vote. Called by any vampire at +1 stealth. > Successful <referendum> means each Methuselah burns 1 pool for each > tapped minion he or she controls. > > Official Rulings Domain Challenge - Political Action > Tapped minions are counted after the referendum is completed. [RTR > 19941109] > > Stu > -Your Friendly Neighborhood Camarilla Scholar > hmmm, I can think of 2 for sure. 1.) Masika calls the vote before the first vote is cast, the untapped Alexandra untaps Masika. 2.) Muaziz, equiped with Rutor's Hand, calls the vote, untaps herself before the first vote is cast. Joe C. VEKN Prince of Columbia, SC Editor: Tzimisce Clan Newsletter [ quoted text not captured ]

pie...@my-deja.com wrote: > Here's another puzzler for you: > > IN a DCI tournament game, how many ways can you not lose any pool to a > successful domain challenge that you call? > > [I'm not talking about gaining more pool than you lose, I am talking > about not losing any pool] > Okay, here's what I think of off the top of my head: 1. Minion with Rutor's hand untaps after action is successful, but before end of referendum (as has been mentioned) 2. Minion with fortitude untaps with Freak Drive. (Both seem to happen at the end of the action, and since there seems not to be any rulings on the matter, I'm going to say that I can order the effects so I don't lose a pool.) 3. A variation on everybody's Alexandria-untaps-acting-toreador solution, (so Alexandria doesn't wind up tapped.) Alexandria has a temptation that you control with counters equal to the amount of blood on Alexandria. (and to get to this point you will have to have gained control of Alexandria by some means, let's just say you used Form of Corruption.) Your Toreador calls the vote, you tap Alexandria to untap the Toreador, then burn the counters on the corruption and take control of Alexandria from yourself, and she untaps. :) No pool loss. 4. Julius has a fortitude master. He calls the vote with a Day Operation. At the end of the action when Julius should go to torpor, his card text causes him to burn instead. The vampire no longer exists, so you can't lose one for the domain challenge. That's all I can think of for now. There's probably another rogue solution or two out there. Rob Grau rfg...@eos.ncsu.edu

>In article <80sn99$o7u$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, > pie...@my-deja.com wrote: >> Here's another puzzler for you: >> >> IN a DCI tournament game, how many ways can you not lose any pool to a >> successful domain challenge that you call? >> >> [I'm not talking about gaining more pool than you lose, I am talking >> about not losing any pool] >> >> and here's a hint: >> >> Domain Challenge >> Cardtype: Political Action >> Political Card-Worth 1 Vote. Called by any vampire at +1 stealth. >> Successful <referendum> means each Methuselah burns 1 pool for each >> tapped minion he or she controls. >> >> Official Rulings Domain Challenge - Political Action >> Tapped minions are counted after the referendum is completed. [RTR >> 19941109] I'm not exactly sure, but I'm I think we could do SOMETHING with Madness Network. Exactly what are the rules for playing Reaction cards? Does it not have to be your turn, or do you not have to be the acting minion's controller? Another question, what happens if you lose/gain control of a vampire while he's doing an action? Does the action stop, does it complete first, or does the new controller effectively perform the action? Depending on the answer, Malkavian Dementia and Ayelea the Manipulator might possibly be able to do something. Halcyan 2

In article <38339A62...@eos.ncsu.edu>, Rob Grau <rfg...@eos.ncsu.edu> wrote: > pie...@my-deja.com wrote: > > > Here's another puzzler for you: > > > > IN a DCI tournament game, how many ways can you not lose any pool to a > > successful domain challenge that you call? > > > > [I'm not talking about gaining more pool than you lose, I am talking > > about not losing any pool] > > > > Okay, here's what I think of off the top of my head: > > 1. Minion with Rutor's hand untaps after action is successful, but before > end of referendum (as has been mentioned) > > 2. Minion with fortitude untaps with Freak Drive. (Both seem to happen at > the end of the action, and since there seems not to be any rulings on the > matter, I'm going to say that I can order the effects so I don't lose a > pool.) > > 3. A variation on everybody's Alexandria-untaps-acting-toreador solution, > (so Alexandria doesn't wind up tapped.) > > Alexandria has a temptation that you control with counters equal to the > amount of blood on Alexandria. (and to get to this point you will have to > have gained control of Alexandria by some means, let's just say you used > Form of Corruption.) > > Your Toreador calls the vote, you tap Alexandria to untap the Toreador, > then burn the counters on the corruption and take control of Alexandria > from yourself, and she untaps. :) No pool loss. I didn't think Alexandria had to tap to use her ability. Is this a ruling i have missed? Sure hope so, i really hate the toilet doors. > > 4. Julius has a fortitude master. He calls the vote with a Day Operation. > At the end of the action when Julius should go to torpor, his card text > causes him to burn instead. The vampire no longer exists, so you can't > lose one for the domain challenge. Neat! > > That's all I can think of for now. There's probably another rogue solution > or two out there. > > Rob Grau > rfg...@eos.ncsu.edu > Burn the vamp who's calling the vote to pay your dues to the Antediluvian awakening - this can be done anytime. Also i think Sorrow's Bribes solution is fine since you don't suffer a NET pool loss, and if so then superior Voter Cap would work too. Any advance on 7? [ quoted text not captured ]

halc...@aol.com (Halcyan 2) wrote: > >pie...@my-deja.com wrote: > >> Here's another puzzler for you: > >> > >> IN a DCI tournament game, how many ways can you not lose any pool to a > >> successful domain challenge that you call? > >> > >> [I'm not talking about gaining more pool than you lose, I am talking > >> about not losing any pool] > >> > >> and here's a hint: > >> > >> Domain Challenge > >> Cardtype: Political Action > >> Political Card-Worth 1 Vote. Called by any vampire at +1 stealth. > >> Successful <referendum> means each Methuselah burns 1 pool for each > >> tapped minion he or she controls. > >> > >> Official Rulings Domain Challenge - Political Action > >> Tapped minions are counted after the referendum is completed. [RTR > >> 19941109] > > I'm not exactly sure, but I'm I think we could do SOMETHING with Madness > Network. Exactly what are the rules for playing Reaction cards? Does it not > have to be your turn, or do you not have to be the acting minion's controller? 1.6.3. Minion Cards 5. Reaction cards: A ready untapped minion can play a reaction card in response to an action taken by another Methuselah's minion (an action taken by one of a Methuselah's minions cannot be reacted to by any of her own minions). > Another question, what happens if you lose/gain control of a vampire while he's > doing an action? Does the action stop, does it complete first, or does the new > controller effectively perform the action? Depending on the answer, Malkavian > Dementia and Ayelea the Manipulator might possibly be able to do something. Subject: VTES Rules Team Rulings July 97 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:06:14 -0700 Message-ID: <33B811...@regency.wizards.com> 14) If a minion takes an action but the acting player loses control of it before the action is successful, the action simply ends. A player loses control of a minion that is burned, stolen, and so on. -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/rules.asp [ quoted text not captured ]

>Here's another puzzler for you: >IN a DCI tournament game, how many ways can you not lose any pool to a >successful domain challenge that you call? >[I'm not talking about gaining more pool than you lose, I am talking >about not losing any pool] Just as a reminder - the above note should make it explicit that gaining pool does not mean that you have not lost pool. So Bribes, Voter Cap and any solutions like that do not count >1. Minion with Rutor's hand untaps after action is successful, but >before end of referendum (as has been mentioned) Rutor's Hand=Solution #1 >2. Minion with fortitude untaps with Freak Drive. (Both seem to Freak Drive works at the end of the action, after the referendum counts your tapped minions, so this does not work. >3. A variation on everybody's Alexandria-untaps-acting-toreador Alexandra is solution #2 > > Alexandria has a temptation that you control with counters equal to I'll give this one to you: Temptation is Solution #3 >> 4. Julius has a fortitude master. He calls the vote with a Day Operation. Julius burns at the end of the action, after you lose a pool for him being tapped at the end of the referendum. >Burn the vamp who's calling the vote to pay your dues to the >Antediluvian awakening - this can be done anytime. Incorrect: A player can burn a vampire (to burn the Antediluvian Awaking) only during her untap phase. [RTR 19980623] >Also i think Sorrow's Bribes >solution is fine since you don't suffer a NET pool loss, >and if so then superior Voter Cap would work too. Both are specifically excluded by the phrasing of the question, so neither of these count. > Any advance on 7? 1.Rutor's Hand 2.Alexandra 3.Temptation on your own [recently corrupted] minion Solution #4 follows #3 rather obviously. Solutions #5 can be achieved any of two ways, which only count as one path to the solution (and that is all the hinting you get). Any takers? Stu -Your Friendly Neighborhood Camarilla Scholar [ quoted text not captured ]

legb...@my-deja.com wrote: > Rob Grau <rfg...@eos.ncsu.edu> wrote: > > pie...@my-deja.com wrote: > > > Here's another puzzler for you: > > > IN a DCI tournament game, how many ways can you not lose any pool to a > > > successful domain challenge that you call? > > > > > > [I'm not talking about gaining more pool than you lose, I am talking > > > about not losing any pool] > > > > 2. Minion with fortitude untaps with Freak Drive. (Both seem to happen at > > the end of the action, and since there seems not to be any rulings on the > > matter, I'm going to say that I can order the effects so I don't lose a > > pool.) Freak Drive is played after the action (it is the last thing played during the action). Result of the successful referendum are applied during the resolution of the action. > > 3. A variation on everybody's Alexandria-untaps-acting-toreador solution, > > (so Alexandria doesn't wind up tapped.) > > I didn't think Alexandria had to tap to use her ability. Is this a ruling > i have missed? Sure hope so, i really hate the toilet doors. Alexandra (no 'i') doesn't tap to use her special ability. > > 4. Julius has a fortitude master. He calls the vote with a Day Operation. > > At the end of the action when Julius should go to torpor, his card text > > causes him to burn instead. The vampire no longer exists, so you can't > > lose one for the domain challenge. > > Neat! Day Op send the vamp to torpor "after this action", which would be after the results of the successful referendum are applied. > Burn the vamp who's calling the vote to pay your dues to the Antediluvian > awakening - this can be done anytime. It can only be done during your untap [RTR 23-JUN-1998] > Also i think Sorrow's Bribes > solution is fine since you don't suffer a NET pool loss, and if so then > superior Voter Cap would work too. I believe pieloch's stipulation, quoted above, addresses that issue. > Any advance on 7? ? -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/rules.asp [ quoted text not captured ]

>>> IN a DCI tournament game, how many ways can you not lose any pool to a >>> successful domain challenge that you call? >>> Wouldn't Freak Drive allow you to get away with it? Eric Nawrotzki Pontifex of New Jersey "Live Now. Make Now the most precious time. Now will never come again."

>Burn the vamp who's calling the vote to pay your dues to the >Antediluvian awakening - this can be done anytime. > Incorrect: > A player can burn a vampire (to burn the Antediluvian Awaking) only > during her untap phase. [RTR 19980623] There愀 other possible response similar to this, but correct. You can call the vote with a non-camarilla vampire and destroy it tu burn a played Judgement: Camarilla Segregation. (Put this card in play. Each Methuselah controlling a Non-Camarilla vampire burns 1 pool <during> his or her untap phase. Any Methuselah may burn this card by burning a Non-Camarilla vampire he or she controls during his or her minion phase.) [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <811461$qd9$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, pie...@my-deja.com wrote: > Solution #4 follows #3 rather obviously. > Solutions #5 can be achieved any of two ways, which only count as one > path to the solution (and that is all the hinting you get). Two more additional ways: * Vamp A: 2 cap with Tham and an Infernal Familiar calls the vote, it doesn't get blocked. During the referendum uses enough skill based action modifiers via the Infernal Familiar to cause her to burn. * Another variation of the burning aspect though, you're minion gets to the referendum, then plays Business Pressure. You then use every last bit of pool you have into the vote, ousting yourself. Thus never losing any pool for the Domain Challenge. Joe C. VEKN Prince of Columbia, SC Editor: Tzimisce Clan Newsletter [ quoted text not captured ]

pie...@my-deja.com wrote: > > Any advance on 7? > 1.Rutor's Hand > 2.Alexandra > 3.Temptation on your own [recently corrupted] minion > > Solution #4 follows #3 rather obviously. All right, contining on a theme... Your Malkavian has a temptation and counters equal to blood. There is a Madness Network in play. At the end of the acting player's minion phase who controls the temptation, you call the vote with your tempted Malkavian. During the referendum, the other player takes control of your Malkavian. You no longer have a tapped (or soon to be tapped) minion. I really don't think this is unique enough to be a new solution. It still relies on the temptation mechanic. > Solutions #5 can be achieved any of two ways, which only count as one > path to the solution (and that is all the hinting you get). You call the vote with a minion that has presence. That minion modifies the vote with business pressure. The other methuselahs oust themselves for whatever reason... (Perhaps they would have been ousted by the vote anyway) You win the game before the referendum ends. I rather doubt this is the solution #5 you refered to. Rob Grau rfg...@eos.ncsu.edu

legbiter wrote: > > Alexandria has a temptation that you control with counters equal to the > > amount of blood on Alexandria. (and to get to this point you will have to > > have gained control of Alexandria by some means, let's just say you used > > Form of Corruption.) > > > > Your Toreador calls the vote, you tap Alexandria to untap the Toreador, > > then burn the counters on the corruption and take control of Alexandria > > from yourself, and she untaps. :) No pool loss. > > I didn't think Alexandria had to tap to use her ability. Is this a ruling > i have missed? Sure hope so, i really hate the toilet doors. I checked, you're right. I was up late... Which means that you can separate them into two solutions. Use Alexandra for one and use corruptions to take control of the acting minion when he would normally tap. > > > > That's all I can think of for now. There's probably another rogue solution > > or two out there. > > > > Rob Grau > > rfg...@eos.ncsu.edu > > > Burn the vamp who's calling the vote to pay your dues to the Antediluvian > awakening - this can be done anytime. Except for this ruling, that works: Antediluvian Awakening - Master A player can burn a vampire (to burn the Antediluvian Awaking) only during her untap phase. [RTR 19980623] > Also i think Sorrow's Bribes > solution is fine since you don't suffer a NET pool loss, and if so then > superior Voter Cap would work too. > But the question, a Stu explained it, wasn't to come out even in the NET loss, but to not lose any at all. > Any advance on 7? I think we're at 5*, as follows: (*unless LSJ swoops in and invalidates them) 1. Rutor's Hand 2. Alexandra 3. Freak Drive 4. Corruption 5. Julius/Day Operation Rob Grau rfg...@eos.ncsu.edu

> Two more additional ways: > * Vamp A: 2 cap with Tham and an Infernal Familiar calls the vote, it > doesn't get blocked. During the referendum uses enough skill based > action modifiers via the Infernal Familiar to cause her to burn. I am still in discussions with LSJ regarding the validity of burning either the acting minion or the acting Meth. There are many ways to do either during an action, however, I continue to stipulate that if either the minion or the meth are burned before the Domain Challenge counts tapped minions, then the Domain Challenge action has not been sucessfully completed and passed. Perhaps that is not technically true in game terms, but that certainly exceeds my intentions in this puzzler. So far there is one path that has not been explored. It involves getting blocked. and no more hints should be necessary. Stu -Your Friendly Neighborhood Camarilla Scholar [ quoted text not captured ]

All of these answers are elsewhere in this thread.... This is just for the sake of completeness. Rob Grau rfg...@eos.ncsu.edu Michael F. Tomkins wrote: > > > The vampire is above 3 capacity and burns itself to burn an Antediluvian > Awakening before the vote is resolved. No by ruling: Antediluvian Awakening - Master A player can burn a vampire (to burn the Antediluvian Awaking) only during her untap phase. [RTR 19980623] > > Does Freak Drive work? No Freak Drive Happens at the end action, after the referendum has resolved. > Does a Sup Form of mist, Dawn Op, Opposing 2+ DotB work? The vamp is not > sucessfully blocked but is burned none the less in the combat. > > Other taking Agg damage at the resolution of the Referendum. No that would disrupt the action before it actually was successful. From LSJ's post: LSJ> Subject: VTES Rules Team Rulings July 97 LSJ> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:06:14 -0700 LSJ> Message-ID: <33B811...@regency.wizards.com> LSJ> LSJ> 14) If a minion takes an action but the acting player loses control of LSJ> it before the action is successful, the action simply ends. A player LSJ> loses control of a minion that is burned, stolen, and so on. So long, Rob.

In article <80uvcu$9kc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Joe C. <tzimi...@my-deja.com> wrote: > In article <80sn99$o7u$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, > pie...@my-deja.com wrote: > > Here's another puzzler for you: > > > > IN a DCI tournament game, how many ways can you not lose any pool to a > > successful domain challenge that you call? > > > > [I'm not talking about gaining more pool than you lose, I am talking > > about not losing any pool] > > > > and here's a hint: > > > > Domain Challenge > > Cardtype: Political Action > > Political Card-Worth 1 Vote. Called by any vampire at +1 stealth. > > Successful <referendum> means each Methuselah burns 1 pool for each > > tapped minion he or she controls. > > > > Official Rulings Domain Challenge - Political Action > > Tapped minions are counted after the referendum is completed. [RTR > > 19941109] > > > > Stu > > -Your Friendly Neighborhood Camarilla Scholar > > > > hmmm, I can think of 2 for sure. > > 1.) Masika calls the vote before the first vote is cast, the untapped > Alexandra untaps Masika. > > 2.) Muaziz, equiped with Rutor's Hand, calls the vote, untaps herself > before the first vote is cast. The vampire is above 3 capacity and burns itself to burn an Antediluvian Awakening before the vote is resolved. Does Freak Drive work? Does a Sup Form of mist, Dawn Op, Opposing 2+ DotB work? The vamp is not sucessfully blocked but is burned none the less in the combat. Other taking Agg damage at the resolution of the Referendum. -- I am a Bear of Very Michael F. Tomkins Little Brain, and long m.to...@student.canberra.edu.au words bother me. University of Canberra, Australia. - Winnie the Pooh http://blitzen.canberra.edu.au/~bahkyp/

>> Here's another puzzler for you: >> >> IN a DCI tournament game, how many ways can you not lose any pool to a >> successful domain challenge that you call? >> >> [I'm not talking about gaining more pool than you lose, I am talking >> about not losing any pool] >> Okay, here's another try: Vampire that performs the Domain Challenge action gets blocked: he uses Form of Mist to end combat and continue the action. Opposing minion or Methusaleh uses Psyche!/Fast Reaction to restart another combat. I'm guessing that this means that the action will still continue (since it wasn't "blocked" again), and this time the acting Vampire uses Majesty/Earth Meld to untap and end combat. Since the action wasn't technically "blocked" the second time, it continues, and the acting vampire is also untapped. Does this work or did I miss something? Halcyan 2

> Vampire that performs the Domain Challenge action gets blocked: he uses Form of > Mist to end combat and continue the action. Opposing minion or Methusaleh uses > Psyche!/Fast Reaction to restart another combat. I'm guessing that this means > that the action will still continue (since it wasn't "blocked" again), and this > time the acting Vampire uses Majesty/Earth Meld to untap and end combat. Since > the action wasn't technically "blocked" the second time, it continues, and the > acting vampire is also untapped. Does this work or did I miss something? > Halcyan 2 It Almost works. Again the words of LSJ foil you. Psyche! - Combat (cel) The superior will cancel any "continue action" effect produced during the preceding combat (e.g. Form of Mist) [RTR 19950509] Nice try though. Stu -Your Friendly Neighborhood Camarilla Scholar. [ quoted text not captured ]

pie...@my-deja.com wrote: > <--Current Solutions--> > 1.Rutor's Hand > 2.Alexandra > 3.Temptation on your own [recently corrupted] minion > > Solution #4 follows #3 rather obviously. Okay, I've found the 'rather obvious' Solution #4: You have a vampire with superior dominate, say Lucian, use Mind Rape at Superior on a younger vampire you control, say Merrill Molitor with two Fortitude masters. Merrill, now tapped, uses Force of Will to bleed, then changes the FoW damage from aggravated to normal, and then Freak Drives when the action is successful. During your next minion phase, Merrill calls the Domain Challenge, and during the referendum, you use the Mind Rape effect to untap him and take control of Merrill from yourself. Still working on #5, Rob Grau rfg...@eos.ncsu.edu The Mind Rape card text {with errata} is below. Cost: 2 blood (D) Bleed with +2 bleed. (S) (D) Put this card on a younger vampire {and tap that vampire. The vampire with this card does not untap as normal during his controller's untap phase. During the acting vampire's controller's next minion phase, he or she must burn this card to untap the vampire and take control of the vampire until the end of his or her turn}.

>It Almost works. >Again the words of LSJ foil you. > >Psyche! - Combat (cel) >The superior will cancel any "continue action" effect produced during >the preceding combat (e.g. Form of Mist) [RTR 19950509] How about Fast Reaction? Is it the same situation there? And is it possible to use the Majesty/Earth Meld first and then use a Form of Mist? I usually don't use these cards myself, so I'm not exactly sure about all of the rulings. Halcyan 2

On 20 Nov 1999, Halcyan 2 wrote: > >It Almost works. > >Again the words of LSJ foil you. > > > >Psyche! - Combat (cel) > >The superior will cancel any "continue action" effect produced during > >the preceding combat (e.g. Form of Mist) [RTR 19950509] > > How about Fast Reaction? Is it the same situation there? Yes. > And is it possible > to use the Majesty/Earth Meld first and then use a Form of Mist? I don't quite understand the question. Once you have used the Majesty or Earth Meld, combat will end. You do not continue the action, nor go into another combat. How can Form of Mist be used? (I've probably missed something very obvious in the question, knowing me.) -- James Coupe

>> And is it possible >> to use the Majesty/Earth Meld first and then use a Form of Mist? > >I don't quite understand the question. Once you have used the Majesty or >Earth Meld, combat will end. You do not continue the action, nor go into >another combat. How can Form of Mist be used? > >(I've probably missed something very obvious in the question, knowing me.) Oh, I meant that you use the Majesty before the Psyche and the Form after the Psyche, instead of vice versa. In other words, I meant that a Psyche would be used in between. Sorry for the confusion. Halcyan 2

On 21 Nov 1999, Halcyan 2 wrote: > Oh, I meant that you use the Majesty before the Psyche and the Form after the > Psyche, instead of vice versa. In other words, I meant that a Psyche would be > used in between. Sorry for the confusion. Yes. Fast Reaction still regards the other minion as acting, so Form of Mist could be played by them to continue the action they are acting on. Card Text from Rulemonger: Fast Reaction Cardtype: Reaction Discipline: Auspex Only usable after a blocking minion you control other than this vampire has just completed combat. Tap this vampire. This vampire now enters combat with the <acting> minion. The first round of this new combat, the <acting> minion cannot use any strikes. (S) As above, with an optional press. -- James Coupe

On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, James Coupe wrote: > On 21 Nov 1999, Halcyan 2 wrote: > > Oh, I meant that you use the Majesty before the Psyche and the Form after the > > Psyche, instead of vice versa. In other words, I meant that a Psyche would be > > used in between. Sorry for the confusion. > > Yes. Fast Reaction still regards the other minion as acting, so Form of > Mist could be played by them to continue the action they are acting on. Erk, what on earth was I reading? I thought you said FR, not Form, and ignored Psyche. Bizarre, I was conscious when I wrote it, I think. I see no reason why Pysche actually aborts the action that the block was part of. As far as I can see, the action is still going. Form of Mist could, IMHO, be played in the second combat in order to continue the action. -- James Coupe

In article <80sn99$o7u$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, pie...@my-deja.com wrote: > Here's another puzzler for you: > > IN a DCI tournament game, how many ways can you not lose any pool to a > successful domain challenge that you call? Here's the list of ideas which work: Untap Solutions 1. Rutor's Hand untaps the acting minion. 2. Alexandra untaps the acting Toreador. 3. Temptation on your own acting minion. 4. Mind Rape on your own acting minion. 5. Earth Meld + Psyche + Form of Mist to finish an action untapped. Burn acting Minion Solutions 6. Acting vampire uses Infernal Familiar to play Bewitching Oration, but gains his final investment counter and is burned. 7. Julius, has Clan Impersonated a Malkavian Antitribu and plays Walk through Arcadia during the referendum, spending his last blood. The coin comes up tails. 8. Burn the acting non-Camarilla vampire via 'Judgment: Camarilla Segregation' during the referendum. 9. Burn the acting Brujah vampire via 'Judgment: Death to the Brujah!' during the referendum. Oust Self During the Referendum Solutions 10. Scorn of Adonis (voting one against with one pool) 11. Business Pressure (spending all of your pool) 12. Oxford University (spending all of your pool) Please note that the Burn self solutions and Oust self solutions work based on the exact verbage of the question. However, they were not solutions that I was intending to extract. Thanks to LSJ for the leg work find all the pathological solutions. [ quoted text not captured ]