Game Win : how does it work ??

I'm sorry, but I read the online rules, and : - it speaks of 3 types of points, the well-known VPs, theGame Wins, and the Tournament points - in the final scoring, it mentions only the VPs : "The player with the highest total of Victory Points from the final round only is the tournament winner. The player with the next highest total of Victory Points from the final round only is the second place winner, and so on. In the event of a tie, the players' rankings at the end of the preliminary rounds will be the deciding tiebreaker." So, my question is : how do you count Game Wins and Tournament Points ?? -- Yours, Orpheus, Prince of Marseille http://no.exit.free.fr (onlive novel) http://cypheranima.free.fr (goth band) news://news.zoo-logique.org/VTES-francophone audio...@yahoogroups.com

Orpheus wrote: > > I'm sorry, but I read the online rules, and : > > - it speaks of 3 types of points, the well-known VPs, theGame Wins, and the > Tournament points > > - in the final scoring, it mentions only the VPs : "The player with the > highest total of Victory Points from the final round only is the tournament > winner. The player with the next highest total of Victory Points from the > final round only is the second place winner, and so on. In the event of a > tie, the players' rankings at the end of the preliminary rounds will be the > deciding tiebreaker." > > So, my question is : how do you count Game Wins and Tournament Points ?? See [VEKN 3.1]: After the preliminary two or more rounds, the players are ranked according to the number of Game Wins (see section 3.8.1). For players with the same number of Game Wins, the players' total accumulated Victory Points from the preliminary rounds are used as a tie-breaker. In the event that ties still exist, Tournament Points (see section 3.1.3) are used. Remaining ties for any of the top five rankings are resolved using any fair random method (e.g., a coin toss or a die roll). The five highest-ranked players advance to the final round. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3C49765F...@white-wolf.com>... > Orpheus wrote: > > [snipped part of the original question as only partly related to my question.] > > > > So, my question is : how do you count Game Wins and Tournament Points ?? > > See [VEKN 3.1]: > > After the preliminary two or more rounds, the players are ranked according > to the number of Game Wins (see section 3.8.1). For players with the same > number of Game Wins, the players' total accumulated Victory Points from the > preliminary rounds are used as a tie-breaker. In the event that ties still > exist, Tournament Points (see section 3.1.3) are used. Remaining ties for > any of the top five rankings are resolved using any fair random method > (e.g., a coin toss or a die roll). The five highest-ranked players advance > to the final round. This issue of using a random method for ascertaining those tied down to the tournament points stage seems to be causing some contention within my local players. The question has been raised as to why some less random method isn't used such as total blood remaining on vampires at the point they were ousted? I think it is the randomness of who goes through to the final versus them having some further means of control over it that is irking them. In a non sanctioned tournament on saturday we had 3 players tied on tournament points for the final round. In the end we decided as the tournament wasn't sanctioned to have the three tied players play their own 3 player game to see who got through :P (it gave the rest of us a chance for a break and for the contenders yet another chance to play their beloved game :P ) I seem to recall that blood points used to be used as a further means of sorting out tournament ranking withina given tournamament in the case of a tie. Wondered why it was removed if so and why a random choice is used as opposed to some other means? (I told them I'd ask here, so, I am :P ) regards, Simidh, Prince of Adelaide (sorry if this was answered elsewhere but the deluge of game wins discussions lately makes this general topic a verbose lot of posts to wade through )

Simidh wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote > > In the event that ties still > > exist, Tournament Points (see section 3.1.3) are used. Remaining ties for > > any of the top five rankings are resolved using any fair random method > > (e.g., a coin toss or a die roll). > > This issue of using a random method for ascertaining those tied down to > the tournament points stage seems to be causing some contention within > my local players. The question has been raised as to why some less > random method isn't used such as total blood remaining on vampires > at the point they were ousted? Because a *relevent* 3rd tie-breaker hasn't been found. > I think it is the randomness of who goes through to the final versus > them having some further means of control over it that is irking them. Could be. But since all the well-defined measures of table performance have been used, there is little else to consider. > In a non sanctioned tournament on saturday we had 3 players tied on > tournament points for the final round. In the end we decided as the > tournament wasn't sanctioned to have the three tied players play their > own 3 player game to see who got through :P (it gave the rest of us a > chance for a break and for the contenders yet another chance to play > their beloved game :P ) That's adequate. But the VEKN rules don't use play-offs (most venues don't have the luxury of time required to accomodate playoffs). > I seem to recall that blood points used to be used as a further means > of sorting out tournament ranking withina given tournamament in the > case of a tie. Wondered why it was removed if so and why a random > choice is used as opposed to some other means? Blood points is useless to most people at a table (who end up ousted with 0 VPs) as a tie-breaker. Blood points is just as "random" (ie unrelated) to table performance as a coin toss. Having 60 pool because you aren't doing anything to oust your prey is not indicative of your proximity toward the victory condition. [ quoted text not captured ]

> Blood points is just as "random" (ie unrelated) to table performance > as a coin toss. Having 60 pool because you aren't doing anything to > oust your prey is not indicative of your proximity toward the > victory condition. Actually, it turns out being less random. It helps decks that bloat their vampires, or use a lot of free cards, and punishes decks that use a lot of cards that have blood costs. Fanboy