The neverending story of the Ghoul Retainer

On vtes-l, Robert Goudie writes: > Here's the situation. Minion A (has retained a Ghoul Retainer) brings > a Zip Gun into play and then the oppossing minion manuevers to long > range. Minion A manevers back to close range with the zip gun. Minion > A now plays an Immortal Grapple. Minion A is committed to the zip gun > strike but cannot use it because of the IG. So, Minion A gets no > strike. Can the GR on Minion A make use of the Zip Gun? No. GR cannot use a weapon that his employer is using, and his employer used the weapon for the maneuver (committing his use of it for his strike). > Other GR questions? (I know they're gonna complain when I play this) > > Minion A cannot be Rotschrecked if the GR plays a Dragon's Breath > Rounds, right? Correct. But that's because the DBR doesn't do anything (!) except burn the weapon. (I just noticed this myself when you asked the question.) Card text (VtES) on DBR: Minion inflicts +2 aggravated damage ... Since the GR is not a minion, he doesn't get any bonus for DBR. > Even though the GR is using a weapon the damage is considered > "retainer damage" and cannot be prevented with Skin of Steel, correct? Correct. The damage from the GR is "environmental". -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@regency.wizards.com) Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. (*) - Subject to review by Rules Team

LSJ (VtES Rep) wrote: > > > > Minion A cannot be Rotschrecked if the GR plays a Dragon's Breath > > Rounds, right? > > Correct. But that's because the DBR doesn't do anything (!) except burn the > weapon. (I just noticed this myself when you asked the question.) > > Card text (VtES) on DBR: > Minion inflicts +2 aggravated damage ... > > Since the GR is not a minion, he doesn't get any bonus for DBR. > ummm....but DB also doesn't mention the weapon when it mentions the damage. so would the _minion_ get +2 agg damage to whatever strike he used, as long as the GR uses a DB on the gun that the GR's using? (i know this makes no sense, but it seems to be what one might be able to wrangle out of card text..) eg: vampire strikes: hand. ghoul retainer uses a saturday night special and plays DB rounds on it during (strike/damage?) resolution. so the vamp uses hands for 1 normal and 2 aggravated, the ghoul retainer shoots for 1, and the sat night special is burned. boy i hope this is wrong...... salem....

In article <341F86...@bohm.anu.edu.au>, k940...@bohm.anu.edu.au wrote: > LSJ (VtES Rep) wrote: > > > Minion A cannot be Rotschrecked if the GR plays a Dragon's Breath > > > Rounds, right? > > > > Correct. But that's because the DBR doesn't do anything (!) except burn the > > weapon. (I just noticed this myself when you asked the question.) > > > > Card text (VtES) on DBR: > > Minion inflicts +2 aggravated damage ... > > > > Since the GR is not a minion, he doesn't get any bonus for DBR. > > > ummm....but DB also doesn't mention the weapon when it mentions the > damage. so would the _minion_ get +2 agg damage to whatever strike he > used, as long as the GR uses a DB on the gun that the GR's using? (i > know this makes no sense, but it seems to be what one might be able to > wrangle out of card text..) Well, I wouldn't go this far. It's restricted to "play when damage from a gun is being resolved. This minion..." So is only played when a minion uses a gun. But, as with the melee weapon template, the effect is still over-stated. A minion with a Bastard Sword does not get +1 hand damage on any old strike - only on strikes with the Bastard Sword. Similarly, a minion using DBR doesn't get +2 aggravated damage on any old strike, only on strikes with the gun loaded with DBR. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. (*) - Subject to review by Rules Team -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet

LSJ wrote: > Well, I wouldn't go this far. It's restricted to "play when damage from > a gun is being resolved. This minion..." So is only played when a minion > uses a gun. *** Oops *** Sorry, overstating things again. *** *** DBR can be played during the damage resolution of a GR gun use. But, as the +2 agg damage each strike only applies to "this minion", it will not benefit the employer of the retainer. (There is no "this minion" for the damage from the GR). -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@regency.wizards.com) [ quoted text not captured ]

> ummm....but DB also doesn't mention the weapon when it mentions the > damage. so would the _minion_ get +2 agg damage to whatever strike he > used, as long as the GR uses a DB on the gun that the GR's using? (i > know this makes no sense, but it seems to be what one might be able to > wrangle out of card text..) My guess is that we'll see a ruling on 'ammo card' (which _should_ be on the card text area.) By the defintion of an 'ammo card', would go this ruling, the bonus may only be applied to a gun. Alan (aj)