[LSJ] Lessons in the Steel/Ecstatic Agony Q

Bindusara, Historian of the Kindred, who has Ecstatic Agony played on him, enters combat. Before range, he plays Weather Control and takes one damage. Can he now play Lessons in the Steel in order to strip his opponent from his/her defences in order to give some serious spanking or does it have to be the opposing minion that inflicts the damage? And similarly, does he get the +1 strength next round from Ecstatic Agony? If [yes] and [yes], the old bookworm is going to see some action...at last. -Antero ------ Ecstatic Agony [FN:R2, Anarchs:PAG] Cardtype: Action Discipline: Auspex +1 stealth action. [aus] Put this card on this acting vampire. Each round of combat, this vampire gets +X strength, where X is the amount of damage successfully inflicted on this vampire in the previous round of this combat. [AUS] As above, and once per combat, this vampire may press to continue combat if any damage has been successfully inflicted on him or her in the current round. -and- Lessons in the Steel [BH:R] Cardtype: Combat Discipline: Auspex & Fortitude [aus][for] Only usable when damage is successfully inflicted on this vampire. Look at the opposing minion's controller's hand, and this vampire gets an optional press this round. A vampire can play only one Lessons in the Steel each round. [AUS][FOR] As above, and that Methuselah discards a card of your choice. ------

AL wrote: > Bindusara, Historian of the Kindred, who has Ecstatic Agony played on > him, enters combat. Before range, he plays Weather Control and takes > one damage. > > Can he now play Lessons in the Steel in order to strip his opponent > from his/her defences in order to give some serious spanking or does > it have to be the opposing minion that inflicts the damage? And > similarly, does he get the +1 strength next round from Ecstatic Agony? > If [yes] and [yes], the old bookworm is going to see some action...at > last. > > -Antero Yes and yes. > > ------ > Ecstatic Agony [FN:R2, Anarchs:PAG] > Cardtype: Action > Discipline: Auspex > +1 stealth action. > [aus] Put this card on this acting vampire. Each round of combat, this > vampire gets +X strength, where X is the amount of damage successfully > inflicted on this vampire in the previous round of this combat. > [AUS] As above, and once per combat, this vampire may press to > continue combat if any damage has been successfully inflicted on him > or her in the current round. > > -and- > > Lessons in the Steel [BH:R] > Cardtype: Combat > Discipline: Auspex & Fortitude > [aus][for] Only usable when damage is successfully inflicted on this > vampire. Look at the opposing minion's controller's hand, and this > vampire gets an optional press this round. A vampire can play only one > Lessons in the Steel each round. > [AUS][FOR] As above, and that Methuselah discards a card of your > choice. > ------ -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:23:25 GMT, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> scrawled: >AL wrote: >> Bindusara, Historian of the Kindred, who has Ecstatic Agony played on >> him, enters combat. Before range, he plays Weather Control and takes >> one damage. >> >> Can he now play Lessons in the Steel in order to strip his opponent >> from his/her defences in order to give some serious spanking or does >> it have to be the opposing minion that inflicts the damage? And >> similarly, does he get the +1 strength next round from Ecstatic Agony? >> If [yes] and [yes], the old bookworm is going to see some action...at >> last. >> >> -Antero > >Yes and yes. but and but..... http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=38E4E9B5.8843A977%40white-wolf.com "...since "inflict" has been ruled to mean "inflict on the opposing minion/retainer." ? salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm (replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)

oh, and the ruling itself as quoted in the ruling i posted a link to before. :) http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=34E85428.167E%40wizards.com ""Inflict" typically means "to the opposing minion/retainer" (see Pulled Fangs). So these cards would not nullify the self-damage of those weapon strikes. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. (*) - Subject to review by Rules Team" [ quoted text not captured ]

salem wrote: > On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:23:25 GMT, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> > scrawled: > > >>AL wrote: >> >>>Bindusara, Historian of the Kindred, who has Ecstatic Agony played on >>>him, enters combat. Before range, he plays Weather Control and takes >>>one damage. >>> >>>Can he now play Lessons in the Steel in order to strip his opponent >>>from his/her defences in order to give some serious spanking or does >>>it have to be the opposing minion that inflicts the damage? And >>>similarly, does he get the +1 strength next round from Ecstatic Agony? >>>If [yes] and [yes], the old bookworm is going to see some action...at >>>last. >>> >>>-Antero >> >>Yes and yes. > > > but and but..... > > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=38E4E9B5.8843A977%40white-wolf.com > > "...since "inflict" has been ruled to mean "inflict on the opposing > minion/retainer." "inflicted on this vampire" cannot mean "inflicted on the opposing minion/retainer". [ quoted text not captured ]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:05:28 GMT, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> scrawled: >> >> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=38E4E9B5.8843A977%40white-wolf.com >> >> "...since "inflict" has been ruled to mean "inflict on the opposing >> minion/retainer." > >"inflicted on this vampire" cannot mean "inflicted on the opposing >minion/retainer". but the 'inflict' part could be stretched to the opposing part, meaning for it to have been considered inflicted on this vampire, it must have been sourced from an opposing minion. no, wait. my head's a little straighter now. it's like the old logic trick with cats and dogs and four legs. ok, just ignore me now. :) [ quoted text not captured ]