I've been working on a Giovanni - Tzimice (sp?) Ally and Retainer
Recycle Deck, and a question has come up. Ambrosius, the Wraith has card
text:
"Unique Ally with 2 life. 1 hand damage, 0 bleed. Ambrosius is immune to
damage that is not aggravated. He can take an action to allow you to
move a retainer from your ash heap to a ready vampire you control. Put 3
Pathos counters on the retainer. Remove a Pathos counter from the
retainer at the beginning of each of your minion phases. When there are
no Pathos counters remaining, remove the retainer from the game."
First, a clarification: remove from game means no coming back?
Even if this is true, can you endlessly recycle a Zombie by bringing it
into play on a Giovanni vampire, then loop:
taking an action to burn for blood, getting the Wraith to bring it back,
use it for two turns then burn for blood, use the wraith to get it
back.... etc ad nauseum?
The only problem I can foresee with this combo (apart from the obvious
blocking difficulty) is the pathos counters. Are counters "remembered"
in the ash heap?
Thanks,
David Naseby
David Naseby wrote:
> I've been working on a Giovanni - Tzimice (sp?) Ally and Retainer
> Recycle Deck, and a question has come up. Ambrosius, the Wraith has card
> text:
>
> "Unique Ally with 2 life. 1 hand damage, 0 bleed. Ambrosius is immune to
> damage that is not aggravated. He can take an action to allow you to
> move a retainer from your ash heap to a ready vampire you control. Put 3
> Pathos counters on the retainer. Remove a Pathos counter from the
> retainer at the beginning of each of your minion phases. When there are
> no Pathos counters remaining, remove the retainer from the game."
>
> First, a clarification: remove from game means no coming back?
Yes. If it's not in the game, it can't be affected by game-world effects.
> Even if this is true, can you endlessly recycle a Zombie by bringing it
> into play on a Giovanni vampire, then loop:
> taking an action to burn for blood, getting the Wraith to bring it back,
> use it for two turns then burn for blood, use the wraith to get it
> back.... etc ad nauseum?
Yes.
> The only problem I can foresee with this combo (apart from the obvious
> blocking difficulty) is the pathos counters. Are counters "remembered"
> in the ash heap?
Nothing is remembered in the ashheap.
(Unless you want to count the method of entering the ash heap -
burning or discarding, which counts for some cards).
--
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In article <3494921B...@unsw.edu.au>, David Naseby
<d.na...@unsw.edu.au> writes
>I've been working on a Giovanni - Tzimice (sp?) Ally and Retainer
>Recycle Deck, and a question has come up. Ambrosius, the Wraith has card
>text:
>
>"Unique Ally with 2 life. 1 hand damage, 0 bleed. Ambrosius is immune to
>damage that is not aggravated. He can take an action to allow you to
>move a retainer from your ash heap to a ready vampire you control. Put 3
>Pathos counters on the retainer. Remove a Pathos counter from the
>retainer at the beginning of each of your minion phases. When there are
>no Pathos counters remaining, remove the retainer from the game."
>
>First, a clarification: remove from game means no coming back?
Yep, pretty certain.
>
>Even if this is true, can you endlessly recycle a Zombie by bringing it
>into play on a Giovanni vampire, then loop:
>taking an action to burn for blood, getting the Wraith to bring it back,
>use it for two turns then burn for blood, use the wraith to get it
>back.... etc ad nauseum?
Yes. To quote a related topic. If, with Horrid Reality, the weapon
ends up in your graveyard (DBR), the Horrid Reality will not put it back
in your library (sup chi). So neither will Ambrosius.
The more obvious thing to do here anyway is to get a Zombie out, get a
War Ghoul out, burn the Zombie, get it back. But look at that pool go.
Needs hefty blood gain.
>
>The only problem I can foresee with this combo (apart from the obvious
>blocking difficulty) is the pathos counters. Are counters "remembered"
>in the ash heap?
>
Not as far as I know. And AFAIK the ash heap is very difficult to
affect from play and effects don't carry over into it.
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