1 - My tapped vam was ambushed by a brujah, my vamp has superior
dominate, but I don't have any Wake neither forced awakening. May I
play Obedience?
2 - My vamp with superior obfuscate is bleeding, an opposite vamp
attempt to block, so I play faceless night and he must stay tapped,
but he plays enchanced senses, so I play superior Elder Impersonations
and her愀 block fails. The question is Superior Elder Impersonation
cancels the effects of Superior Faceless Night played before? The
opposite vamp is tapped or not?
Itamar G. Jr.
In message <3d2c43e8.0107...@posting.google.com>, Itamar G.
Jr. <ita...@hotmail.com> writes
>1 - My tapped vam was ambushed by a brujah, my vamp has superior
>dominate, but I don't have any Wake neither forced awakening. May I
>play Obedience?
Yes. (Assuming you meet the requirements for Obedience in terms of
age.)
>2 - My vamp with superior obfuscate is bleeding, an opposite vamp
>attempt to block, so I play faceless night and he must stay tapped,
>but he plays enchanced senses, so I play superior Elder Impersonations
>and her愀 block fails. The question is Superior Elder Impersonation
>cancels the effects of Superior Faceless Night played before? The
>opposite vamp is tapped or not?
The block attempt fails - at which point the vampire is tapped, by
Faceless Night. Next clause of EI, the vampire is untapped.
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James wrote:
>>Yes. (Assuming you meet the requirements for Obedience in terms of
age.)>>
You need to be untapped to play a reaction card. Obediance is a reaction card.
The original poster stipulated that his vampire was tapped and had no way to
untap or act as if untapped. Thus, he cannot play Obediance.
Am I missing something?
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In message <20010717164240...@ng-fe1.aol.com>, Peter D
Bakija <pd...@aol.comANTISPAM> writes
>>>Yes. (Assuming you meet the requirements for Obedience in terms of>age.)>>
>
>You need to be untapped to play a reaction card. Obediance is a reaction card.
>The original poster stipulated that his vampire was tapped and had no way to
>untap or act as if untapped. Thus, he cannot play Obediance.
>
>Am I missing something?
Sorry, brain fart.
I saw Wake/Forced Awakening references and my brain kicked in and told
me "He has played a Wake" even though I read he hadn't.
My bad.
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James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote:
>Itamar G. Jr. <ita...@hotmail.com> writes>>1 - My tapped vam was ambushed by a brujah, my vamp has superior
>>dominate, but I don't have any Wake neither forced awakening. May I
>>play Obedience?>>Yes. (Assuming you meet the requirements for Obedience in terms of
>age.)
No. You need to be untapped (or woken) to play reaction cards.
>>2 - My vamp with superior obfuscate is bleeding, an opposite vamp
>>attempt to block, so I play faceless night and he must stay tapped,
>>but he plays enchanced senses, so I play superior Elder Impersonations>>and her´s block fails. The question is Superior Elder Impersonation>>cancels the effects of Superior Faceless Night played before? The
>>opposite vamp is tapped or not?>
>The block attempt fails - at which point the vampire is tapped, by
>Faceless Night. Next clause of EI, the vampire is untapped.
No. The block attempt fails, but FN won't tap him until the block
succeeds (not possible) or when his controller declares "I don't
block" (which comes after the EI effect).
And actually, EI should say "do not tap" the minion rather than "untap
the minion."
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James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote:
>Itamar G. Jr. <ita...@hotmail.com> writes>>1 - My tapped vam was ambushed by a brujah, my vamp has superior
>>dominate, but I don't have any Wake neither forced awakening. May I
>>play Obedience?>
>Yes. (Assuming you meet the requirements for Obedience in terms of
>age.)
No. You need to be untapped (or woken) to play reaction cards.
>>2 - My vamp with superior obfuscate is bleeding, an opposite vamp
>>attempt to block, so I play faceless night and he must stay tapped,
>>but he plays enchanced senses, so I play superior Elder Impersonations>>and her愀 block fails. The question is Superior Elder Impersonation>>cancels the effects of Superior Faceless Night played before? The
>>opposite vamp is tapped or not?>
>The block attempt fails - at which point the vampire is tapped, by
>Faceless Night. Next clause of EI, the vampire is untapped.
No. The block attempt fails, but FN won't tap him until the block
succeeds (not possible) or when his controller declares "I don't
block" (which comes after the EI effect).
And actually, EI should say "do not tap" the minion rather than "untap
the minion."
So is the guy tapped...or not?
And what happens with you play faceless night, and the first guy fails, but
then another different vampire tries to block and fails? Does anyone trying
to block(that fails) get to be tapped?
Aaron
"The Nosferatu Stuff" <roans...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"LSJ" <vte...@MailAndNews.com> wrote :>James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote:>>The block attempt fails - at which point the vampire is tapped, by
>>Faceless Night. Next clause of EI, the vampire is untapped.>
>No. The block attempt fails, but FN won't tap him until the block
>succeeds (not possible) or when his controller declares "I don't
>block" (which comes after the EI effect).
>
>And actually, EI should say "do not tap" the minion rather than "untap
>the minion."
>
>So is the guy tapped...or not?
James Said "untapped" to which I responded: "no".
>And what happens with you play faceless night, and the first guy fails, but
>then another different vampire tries to block and fails? Does anyone trying
>to block(that fails) get to be tapped?
Yes (card text).
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> "The Nosferatu Stuff" <roans...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"LSJ" <vte...@MailAndNews.com> wrote :
> >James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote:
> >>The block attempt fails - at which point the vampire is tapped, by
> >>Faceless Night. Next clause of EI, the vampire is untapped.
> >
> >No. The block attempt fails, but FN won't tap him until the block
> >succeeds (not possible) or when his controller declares "I don't
> >block" (which comes after the EI effect).
> >
> >And actually, EI should say "do not tap" the minion rather than "untap
> >the minion."
> >
> >So is the guy tapped...or not?
>
> James Said "untapped" to which I responded: "no".
That didn't help. I'll restate my confusion. If I bleed you, and you try
to block. And I play faceless night at superior, followed by you playing
sufficient intercept. Then I superior elder impersonation to cause you to
be unable to block. Above you said "but FN won't tap him until the block
succeeds (not possible) " which I can't figure out? How will Faceless night
tap you until after a successful block?(wouldn't you tap anyway and be in
combat?) Anyway, since it's not possible to block, and faceless night won't
tap him till then, it obviously doesn't tap him.(because of that reason)
Then comes the OR "or when his controller declares "I don't block"" Can you
declare you don't block when you not eligible(because of elder
impersonation)
And after I elder impersonation you, are you tapped by faceless night?
In message <Wvf57.63997$Ro2.8...@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>, The
Nosferatu Stuff <roans...@yahoo.com> writes
>> James Said "untapped" to which I responded: "no".>
>That didn't help.
I said "untapped". He told me I was wrong.
Ergo, tapped.
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>news:3B5C...@MailAndNews.com...>> "The Nosferatu Stuff" <roans...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >"LSJ" <vte...@MailAndNews.com> wrote :
>> >James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote:
>> >>The block attempt fails - at which point the vampire is tapped, by
>> >>Faceless Night. Next clause of EI, the vampire is untapped.
>> >
>> >No. The block attempt fails, but FN won't tap him until the block
>> >succeeds (not possible) or when his controller declares "I don't
>> >block" (which comes after the EI effect).
>> >
>> >And actually, EI should say "do not tap" the minion rather than "untap
>> >the minion."
>> >
>> >So is the guy tapped...or not?
>>>> James Said "untapped" to which I responded: "no".>>That didn't help. I'll restate my confusion. If I bleed you, and you try
>to block. And I play faceless night at superior, followed by you playing
>sufficient intercept. Then I superior elder impersonation to cause you to
>be unable to block. Above you said "but FN won't tap him until the block
>succeeds (not possible) " which I can't figure out? How will Faceless night
>tap you until after a successful block?(wouldn't you tap anyway and be in
>combat?) Anyway, since it's not possible to block, and faceless night won't
>tap him till then, it obviously doesn't tap him.(because of that reason)
>Then comes the OR "or when his controller declares "I don't block"" Can you
>declare you don't block when you not eligible(because of elder
>impersonation)
>And after I elder impersonation you, are you tapped by faceless night?
As I said above: FN taps him when his controller says "I don't block"
(or when some other minion's block succeeds). Which is after EI untaps him.
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LSJ <vte...@MailAndNews.com> wrote:
> [superior Elder Impersonation]> And actually, EI should say "do not tap" the minion rather than "untap
> the minion."
Oops. That errata was issued already [RTR 08-JUL-96].
The text should've been updated in the FN printing, but it
was not, due to my oversight. My apologies.
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