LSJ: state of tappedness

Previouslly I had asked if someone wakes/forced a minion and then played obedience, would this return him to an untapped state when previouslly he was tapped? And got the answer that he would not, he would remain tapped after the attempted block and combat if any. (barring majesties and the like I presume). What if the acting minion played a change of target vs a waked blocking minion? It states that both minions untap and the action is cancelled. Or would the previous ruling apply, that the tapped minion has to untap himself via something else? T

Talo...@hotmail.com wrote: > > Previouslly I had asked if someone wakes/forced a minion and then > played obedience, would this return him to an untapped state when > previouslly he was tapped? And got the answer that he would not, he > would remain tapped after the attempted block and combat if any. > (barring majesties and the like I presume). > > What if the acting minion played a change of target vs a waked > blocking minion? It states that both minions untap and the action is > cancelled. Official card text: Untap the acting {minion, do not tap the blocking minion}, and cancel... > Or would the previous ruling apply, that the tapped minion has to > untap himself via something else? It still applies. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

On Tue, 02 Oct 2001 19:47:11 -0400, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >Talo...@hotmail.com wrote: >> >> Previouslly I had asked if someone wakes/forced a minion and then >> played obedience, would this return him to an untapped state when >> previouslly he was tapped? And got the answer that he would not, he >> would remain tapped after the attempted block and combat if any. >> (barring majesties and the like I presume). >> >> What if the acting minion played a change of target vs a waked >> blocking minion? It states that both minions untap and the action is >> cancelled. > >Official card text: Untap the acting {minion, do not tap the blocking >minion}, and cancel... > >> Or would the previous ruling apply, that the tapped minion has to >> untap himself via something else? > >It still applies. > Ok nm, I was playing with the older version then it would appear. Where was this card reprinted? On a related note, if a vamp wakes/forceds and is able to block or react 'for this action', could he attempt a second block of a minion that he had blocked but played FOM against him? I ruled he could, just checking. T

Talo...@hotmail.com wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > >Official card text: Untap the acting {minion, do not tap the blocking > >minion}, and cancel... > Ok nm, I was playing with the older version then it would appear. > Where was this card reprinted? The curly braces indicate errata, not a new printing. The errata was issued in [RTR 08-JUL-1996]. > On a related note, if a vamp wakes/forceds and is able to block or > react 'for this action', could he attempt a second block of a minion > that he had blocked but played FOM against him? Yes. [ quoted text not captured ]

>Ok nm, I was playing with the older version then it would appear. >Where was this card reprinted? The VTES reprint had different text than the original Jyhad one. >On a related note, if a vamp wakes/forceds and is able to block or >react 'for this action', could he attempt a second block of a minion >that he had blocked but played FOM against him? > >I ruled he could, just checking. Correct. Wakes/FA's last for the remainder of the action. If Minion A wakes to block Minion B, Minion B Forms of Mist (Mirror Image or Shadow Body) to continue the action, the wake will allow Minion A to block again (provided he has enough intercept). Halcyan 2