[LSJ] Damage resolution

LSJ, When a minion strikes for, say -2 strength, does that minion's strike resolve for 0 damage or -2 damage? (*And yes, I have something brewing based on your answer*) -Mike Ooi

> When a minion strikes for, say -2 strength, does that minion's strike > resolve for 0 damage or -2 damage? > (*And yes, I have something brewing based on your answer*) My guess is that it resolves for -2 but the minion takes no damage. So if the striking minion were to try to actually inflict damage, it would have to generate an additional +3 (to resolve to 1 damage). This would fall in line with negative bleeds and bleed modifiers/Life Boon. Sorrow --- "Our generation has had no Great Depression, no Great War. Our war is a spiritual war. Our depression is our lives." - Tyler Durden

Sorrow wrote: > > > When a minion strikes for, say -2 strength, does that minion's strike > > resolve for 0 damage or -2 damage? > > (*And yes, I have something brewing based on your answer*) > > My guess is that it resolves for -2 but the minion takes no damage. So if > the striking minion were to try to actually inflict damage, it would have to > generate an additional +3 (to resolve to 1 damage). > This would fall in line with negative bleeds and bleed modifiers/Life Boon. Mostly correct. It resolves for -2, resulting in 0 damage "successfully inflicted". So if you do just 0 (more than -2) damage - you still get only 0 damage "successfully inflicted" - not more than your opponent - no Disarm. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3BA893C2...@white-wolf.com... > Sorrow wrote: > > > > > When a minion strikes for, say -2 strength, does that minion's strike > > > resolve for 0 damage or -2 damage? > > > (*And yes, I have something brewing based on your answer*) > > > > My guess is that it resolves for -2 but the minion takes no damage. So if > > the striking minion were to try to actually inflict damage, it would have to > > generate an additional +3 (to resolve to 1 damage). > > This would fall in line with negative bleeds and bleed modifiers/Life Boon. > > Mostly correct. It resolves for -2, resulting in 0 damage "successfully inflicted". > So if you do just 0 (more than -2) damage - you still get only 0 damage "successfully > inflicted" - not more than your opponent - no Disarm. So, if a minion has -1 strength and a superior Skin of the Adder, does the damage resolve for -1 + 1, or does the damage resolve for 0 + 1, as the card provides an additional point of damage, not an increase in strength? Skin of the Adder :Play before range is determined. Prevent 1 damage each round. A vampire can play only one Skin of the Adder each combat. :As above, and this vampire's hand strikes inflict an additional point of damage for the remainder of combat -Mike

Mike Ooi wrote: > > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message > news:3BA893C2...@white-wolf.com... > > Sorrow wrote: > > > > > > > When a minion strikes for, say -2 strength, does that minion's strike > > > > resolve for 0 damage or -2 damage? > > > > (*And yes, I have something brewing based on your answer*) > > > > > > My guess is that it resolves for -2 but the minion takes no damage. So > if > > > the striking minion were to try to actually inflict damage, it would > have to > > > generate an additional +3 (to resolve to 1 damage). > > > This would fall in line with negative bleeds and bleed modifiers/Life > Boon. > > > > Mostly correct. It resolves for -2, resulting in 0 damage "successfully > inflicted". > > So if you do just 0 (more than -2) damage - you still get only 0 damage > "successfully > > inflicted" - not more than your opponent - no Disarm. > > So, if a minion has -1 strength and a superior Skin of the Adder, does the > damage resolve for -1 + 1, or does the damage resolve for 0 + 1, as the card > provides an additional point of damage, not an increase in strength? -1 + 1 = 0. It provides an increase in the damage done by the hand strike ("inflict additional" as opposed to the "successfully inflicted" discussion above). [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3BA8F6B2...@white-wolf.com... > > So, if a minion has -1 strength and a superior Skin of the Adder, does the > > damage resolve for -1 + 1, or does the damage resolve for 0 + 1, as the card > > provides an additional point of damage, not an increase in strength? > > -1 + 1 = 0. It provides an increase in the damage done by the hand strike > ("inflict additional" as opposed to the "successfully inflicted" discussion above). Ahh. So it is similar to the card "Increased Strength" which increases damage, not strength, even if the original damage is based on strength due to a Potence hand strike... Isn't that something? "Increased Strength" really doesn't. LSJ, please ban Increased Strength from VEKN sanctioned Tournaments. And Phobia. Thank You, Mike Ooi

Mike Ooi wrote: > LSJ, please ban Increased Strength from VEKN sanctioned Tournaments. And > Phobia. > Phobia is so weak, I am lost as to why you want it banned. I can't even recall anyone using it. ever. Raille

> > LSJ, please ban Increased Strength from VEKN sanctioned Tournaments. And > > Phobia. > Phobia is so weak, I am lost as to why you want it banned. I can't even > recall anyone using it. ever. Damn, Mike's reeling them in hook, line and sinker. Another nice catch, Mike. :p Sorrow --- "I'll be watching the news. If anything is vandalized or explodes or catches on fire, 'X' is going to equal me kicking your ass!" - Red Forman

"Mike Ooi" <sh...@texas.net> wrote in message news:K19q7.568320$ai2.43...@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... [ quoted text not captured ] haha 6 Phobia's went on Ebay for like 8 bucks. Why anyone would buy Phobia? I have no idea. Oscar Garza Prince of College Station The Crazy Aggie [insert sidekick's line here]

On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 09:49:00 -0500, "skippy" <ski...@nospam.tamu.edu> wrote: >"Mike Ooi" <sh...@texas.net> wrote in message >news:K19q7.568320$ai2.43...@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... >> >> LSJ, please ban Increased Strength from VEKN sanctioned Tournaments. And >> Phobia. > >haha 6 Phobia's went on Ebay for like 8 bucks. Why anyone would buy Phobia? >I have no idea. Dude. Mike Ooi has a plan for world domination using Phobia. You gotta be careful. He's crafty and stuff... he'll FIND a way, like the DEM/SER deck which puts Lunatic Eruptions on its predator... and then uses Phobia to protect itself! How can THAT be bad? -- Derek AGITATOR, n. A statesman who shakes the fruit trees of his neighbors -- to dislodge the worms.

In message <ee5kqtc3khs374r8u...@4ax.com>, Derek Ray <lor...@yah00.com> writes >Dude. Mike Ooi has a plan for world domination using Phobia. You gotta >be careful. He's crafty and stuff... he'll FIND a way, like the DEM/SER >deck which puts Lunatic Eruptions on its predator... and then uses >Phobia to protect itself! > >How can THAT be bad? Trade your predator Mark of Damnation and a Serpentis vampire, too, using Succubus Club. Wastes even more actions. Subtly devious. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Close your eyes so you don't feel them EBD690ECD7A1F They don't need to see you cry B457CA213D7E6 I can't promise I will heal you, but if you want to I will try 68C3695D623D5D

On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:36:21 +0100, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: >In message <ee5kqtc3khs374r8u...@4ax.com>, Derek Ray ><lor...@yah00.com> writes >>Dude. Mike Ooi has a plan for world domination using Phobia. You gotta >>be careful. He's crafty and stuff... he'll FIND a way, like the DEM/SER >>deck which puts Lunatic Eruptions on its predator... and then uses >>Phobia to protect itself! >> >>How can THAT be bad? > >Trade your predator Mark of Damnation and a Serpentis vampire, too, >using Succubus Club. Wastes even more actions. > >Subtly devious. Dementedly serpentine, even. [ quoted text not captured ]