Hi =)
I'm a pretty new V:tes player. I've been lurking this NG for a couple of
month, and I thought it could be time to ask you about a deck.
I'm building a tremere/gargoyle deck, working as follow:
The tremeres create gargs with Fortitude, or bleeds.
The gargs tap to protect Tremeres, or use Armor of Terra. Then they bleeds
with Force of Will (+stealth or daring the dawn). Eventually, (if they've
AoT on), I can untap them with Freak Drive and let them do something else,
i.e. a Restoration. I can also let gargs go torpor and rescue them with the
other vamps.
Untapped Tremeres are ready to deflect.
The main problem is I think the deck is too much blood-draining; gargs
costs, AoT costs, rescuing from torpor costs, and I have no idea on how
recover all that blood. Restoration and Giant's Blood can do, but I think I
need something more.
If you guys could give me a clue i'll start to plan the deck.
Thanks =)
"Astardel" <alvmar...@GRAZIElibero.it> schreef in bericht
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Well, first of all you got fortitude, so Restoration is a good start. I
also suppose you want to run some kind of combat module to protect the
Tremere and in that case Taste of Vitae is the obvious choice. If you
play both regular Tremere and their Antitribu counterparts, you can play
dual hunting grounds. Add in a Palatial Estate and you got quite some
bloodflow going.
The best suggestion I can give you is to think up a deck, post it here
and wait for the comments.
Welcome, by the way.
>If you
>play both regular Tremere and their Antitribu counterparts, you can play
>dual hunting grounds.
There's more !Trem with For now. An all !Trem Gargoyleling deck could use The
Hungry Coyote. That doesn't seem to be the plan, though.
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Sometimes the simplest solution is the best. If your Gargoyles are
bleeding with inferior Force of Will, then they are paying a blood and
taking 2 damage (agg or not) to bleed for 2. Your only advantage is they
can take another action (hunt or Restoration, I'd assume) and then play
the Force of Will at inferior. Wouldn't it be much simpler to bleed for 2
with Computer Hacking, bleed retainers or Laptops? You could still do the
Armor of Terra + Daring the Dawn trick or just use Vic stealth.
Either that or give your Gargoyles Dominate and bleed at stealth with
Viceratika.
Matt Morgan
"Astardel" <alvmar...@GRAZIElibero.it> escribió en el mensaje
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A nice ammount of Masochism might help a lot paying the cards. You'll get a
fair ammount of damage from the FoW+DtD, so you might use that counters to
pay the expensive Vis cards or simply the freak drives.
I'll also suggest you to add some Dawn Operations and disarms. You know,
this will make them think twice before daring to attempt to block you.
"Smiling Tom" <tma...@almadrava.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> I'll also suggest you to add some Dawn Operations and disarms. You know,
> this will make them think twice before daring to attempt to block you.
Mmmh... a little question: if I play Dawn Op, i'm blocked and then use
Conscripted statue at superior, does the statue aggravated damages?
"Astardel" <alvmar...@GRAZIElibero.it> wrote in message
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> Mmmh... a little question: if I play Dawn Op, i'm blocked and then use
> Conscripted statue at superior, does the statue aggravated damages?
No. Dawn Operation's effect only applies to the block combat. With
Conscripted Statue, the block combat does not occur.
--
LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu
Astardel wrote:
> Mmmh... a little question: if I play Dawn Op, i'm blocked and then use
> Conscripted statue at superior, does the statue aggravated damages?
No.
Dawn Op: "If this action is blocked, all damage inflicted to all
vampires in the resulting combat is aggravated. Any vampire attempting
to block may now choose not to block."
Conscripted Statue (superior): "Combat does not occur. Put this card
into play. This card represents an ally with 2 life and 2 strength. This
ally enters combat with the blocking minion. This ally gets 1 optional
press during the combat. Burn this card at the end of combat or if the
combat is canceled."
The combat resulting from the block never occurs, so the Dawn Op has no
effect. The CS starts a new, distinct combat.
(Ditto with, eg, Dawn Op + Psyche!)
--Colin McGuigan
"Astardel" <alvmar...@GRAZIElibero.it> wrote in message news:<iEvXc.197585$5D1.9...@news4.tin.it>...
> Hi =)
> I'm a pretty new V:tes player.
Welcome and have lots of fun!
> I'm building a tremere/gargoyle deck, working as follow:
>
> The tremeres create gargs with Fortitude, or bleeds.
> The gargs tap to protect Tremeres,
(...)
> The main problem is I think the deck is too much blood-draining; gargs
> costs, AoT costs, rescuing from torpor costs, and I have no idea on how
> recover all that blood. Restoration and Giant's Blood can do, but I think I
> need something more.
> If you guys could give me a clue i'll start to plan the deck.
Well, there are several strategies to build a deck using Gargs and
Tre, but i think the best ones follow the initial simplest idea: bleed
with Tremere/Dominate and use the Gargs to protect the Tre.
Bleed with Govern the Unaligned. If you're blocked Tap a slave
Gargoyle and enter combat with Vis/Pot/For. Try to use also the Gargs
to block and engage combat especially with your predator. After all,
they have For and aren't affected by Kiss of Ra! ;)
To manage more effectivelly your blood and pool, use several Blood
Dolls (4 or 5), 1 Hunting Ground (Tre or !Tre), Restoration, Palatial
Estate (on a Gar for Stealh access), Giant's Blood,
Powerbase:Montreal, The Rack (you have intercept and combat
capabilities), other Powerbases, Arcane Library (for Tremere), etc.
Plenty of options here, and many more available to protect your pool
through intercept and several bleed deflection and reduction cards.
Try to build a deck with card quatities and choices, and post it here
for comments. That will help you a lot.
.- Luis Duarte (Portugal)