rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

Betrayer + Uriah Winter timing and who gets hurt

4 messages from 3 participants · 10 May 2004 – 11 May 2004
original thread on Google Groups

Hollowboy

Betrayer text: Name a Methuselah who controls a vampire who is also in your uncontrolled region. Put this card into play. The vampire's controller burns 1 pool during his or her untap phase. He or she can burn an additional pool to guess the name of the vampire. If the guess is correct, this card is burned. Official Rulings: Betrayer: The affected Methuselah is named when the card is played. [RTR 19980928] Each of their turns, the person subjected to Betrayer can name a vampire. If the guess is correct, Betrayer is burned. [RTR 19941109] Is cumulative. A player can be damaged by multiple Betrayers each turn. A Methuselah targeted by more than one Betrayer would have to pay 1 pool for each Betrayer in order to burn them, even if the same vampire is the betrayer in each case. [RTR 19941109] If the vampire chosen for Betrayer is burned, so is Betrayer. If the vampire chosen for Betrayer becomes contested, Betrayer is nullified until the contention is resolved, at which time the Betrayer is reactivated. If a player takes control of the vampire that is the target of the betrayer, that player takes the pool loss. [RTR 19941109] You select an uncontrolled vampire when you play the card. If you have a choice (more than one of your uncontrolled vampires is controlled by the other Methuselah), you still have to choose just one of them to be the Betrayer. [LSJ 19990419] +++ I know about two combos: Betrayer / Uriah / Seeds of Corruption. AND Recruitment / Betrayer +++ My question is for where there are no Seeds on Uriah, and he is free to stroll. Example: 3 player game. My prey has Uriah. I have an uncontrolled Uriah. I use Anson to play 2 Betrayers, naming my prey. I then call a Parity Shift and a KRC, reducing my prey to 1 pool. My prey untaps, and is now on the lowest pool, so he orders his untap phase to move Uriah straight away - my predator now controls him. My prey takes no damage from Betrayer. Question: That's correct play, yes? The ruling: "If a player takes control of the vampire that is the target of the betrayer, that player takes the pool loss." ...supports this. If that's is correct (that's how we played it, based on card text), then an unfettered Uriah / Betrayer combo can hurt everybody, but never for much. If I put 4 Betrayers on him, most players would order their untap phase to take (for example) 2 points of pool loss, reducing their pool below their prey's, and then hand Uriah on, ignoring the other 2 Betrayers. That has potential, but would require a pretty quirky deck to make it work (sweep). Also, if a player has 3 Betrayers targeting them, can they guess 3 times in a single turn (coughing up 6 pool total)? Or can they only guess once, for one Betrayer? Also: "Each of their turns, the person subjected to Betrayer can name a vampire. If the guess is correct, Betrayer is burned." What exactly does "subjected to" mean? If I named my prey, but my predator currently has Uriah, which one has been "subjected to Betrayer? Which of them can guess?

LSJ

Hollowboy wrote: > My question is for where there are no Seeds on Uriah, and he is free > to stroll. > > Example: 3 player game. My prey has Uriah. I have an uncontrolled > Uriah. I use Anson to play 2 Betrayers, naming my prey. I then call a > Parity Shift and a KRC, reducing my prey to 1 pool. > > My prey untaps, and is now on the lowest pool, so he orders his untap > phase to move Uriah straight away - my predator now controls him. My > prey takes no damage from Betrayer. > > Question: That's correct play, yes? The ruling: "If a player takes > control of the vampire that is the target of the betrayer, that player > takes the pool loss." ...supports this. Yes. > Also, if a player has 3 Betrayers targeting them, can they guess 3 > times in a single turn (coughing up 6 pool total)? Or can they only > guess once, for one Betrayer? They can guess once for each Betrayer, for a total of 3 guesses. > Also: "Each of their turns, the person subjected to Betrayer can name > a vampire. If the guess is correct, Betrayer is burned." > > What exactly does "subjected to" mean? If I named my prey, but my "subjected to": controlling the target. > predator currently has Uriah, which one has been "subjected to > Betrayer? Which of them can guess? The controller of the target. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Noal McDonald

(Hollowboy) wrote: > My question is for where there are no Seeds on Uriah, and he is free > to stroll. Scott, did this get resolved? Last time I checked, we had decided that the exact wording of Seeds did not prevent Uriah from roaming about. Regards, Noal

LSJ

[ quoted text not captured ] It got resolved in RTR 01-MAY-2004, reseting the card to the effect it had before the clarification you had illuminated. [ quoted text not captured ]