[LSJ] Only usable versus useable

Is there a distinction? For example, Echo of Harmonies reads "Only useable during a referendum" and then the inferior reads "Useable by a ready vampire other than the acting minion. This vampire gains two votes." Now I understand that its ONLY useable during a referendum (and not during a blood hunt, for example). I understand that its useable by a ready vampire other than the acting minion. But is it ONLY useable by a ready vampire other than the acting minion? The wording seems... well, not as clear as it could be. ~SV -- Direct access to this group with http://web2news.com http://web2news.com/?rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

vermillian wrote: > Is there a distinction? yes, see below. > For example, Echo of Harmonies reads "Only useable during > a referendum" > and then the inferior reads "Useable by a ready vampire > other than the > acting minion. This vampire gains two votes." > > Now I understand that its ONLY useable during a referendum (and not > during a blood hunt, for example). I understand that its useable by a > ready vampire other than the acting minion. But is it ONLY > useable by a > ready vampire other than the acting minion? action modifiers are by default only usable by the acting minion, so the is no reason to tell people that. the 'usable by another...' clause is to indicate that it can ALSO be used by other another ready vampire. > The wording seems... well, not as clear as it could be. ok, perhaps, but is there really a need to make it clearer? [ quoted text not captured ]

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:19:44 +0200, vermillian wrote: > Is there a distinction? > > For example, Echo of Harmonies reads "Only useable during a referendum" > and then the inferior reads "Useable by a ready vampire other than the > acting minion. This vampire gains two votes." > > Now I understand that its ONLY useable during a referendum (and not > during a blood hunt, for example). I understand that its useable by a > ready vampire other than the acting minion. But is it ONLY useable by a > ready vampire other than the acting minion? It means what it says. It is also usable (as all action modifiers are by default) by the acting minion. The most common reason for wanting to use a minion other than the acing minion is that the acting minion doesn't have the requisite discipline(s) though you might also be worried about people cancelling your votes. It would not be easy to make the card any clearer. Incidentally the time when you cast votes to determine whther a vampire will be bloood-hunted after diablerie is a referendum. However there is no action to call it and hence no action modifiers or reactions can be played. Effects that can only be used in a referendum can still be used: eg burn the edge to gain a vote.

Timlagor wrote: > The most common reason for wanting to use a > minion other than the acing minion is that the acting minion doesn't have > the requisite discipline(s) though you might also be worried about people > cancelling your votes. ... or if you wanted to call the same referendum again in the same turn. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

In message <3EF9BB73...@white-wolf.com>, LSJ <vtesrep@white- wolf.com> writes: >Timlagor wrote: >> The most common reason for wanting to use a >> minion other than the acing minion is that the acting minion doesn't have >> the requisite discipline(s) though you might also be worried about people >> cancelling your votes. > >... or if you wanted to call the same referendum again in the same >turn. Or you have two vampires with [mel], one acting, one not, and you want to get both of them to play a copy, to get +4 votes in total. (Unlike a Bewitching Oration, which only the acting vampire can play, and if they only have [pre], you can only get +2 votes.) -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Lucky that my breasts are small and humble, EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 So you don't confuse them with mountains. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D