Who can be an Archon

I seem to recall reading somewhere that only Camm vamps could be made Archons. But upon reading LSJs website, I do not see anything about that anywhere. Can Independant and Sabbat vamps become an Archon (if, of course, a P/J votes them as such)? Sorrow

In article <w5384.3540$bX4....@dfw-read.news.verio.net>, [ quoted text not captured ] No. Sabbat Rules Insert - Camarilla Membership Has Its Privileges Only Camarilla vampires can: - be Primogen or Princes. - call Praxis Seizures, Justicar Retribution, Command of the Harpies, or Masquerade Enforcement - the effect can target any vampire - call a vote to burn Elysium: The Arboretum or Masquerade Enforcement * - can be chosen as an Archon or Camarilla Exemplary (however, all vampires suffer the effects of blocking them) - can become Primogen using the Of Noble Blood card from the Dark Sovereigns expansion, though any vampire may call the action. Independent and Sabbat vampires can only use these abilities if they have a Writ of Acceptance from the Ancient Hearts expansion. Carpe Noctem. Lasombra http://members.tripod.com/~Lasombra Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <w5384.3540$bX4....@dfw-read.news.verio.net>, Sorrow <cbo...@apdi.net> wrote: >I seem to recall reading somewhere that only Camm vamps >could be made Archons. It's in the Sabbat Rules Sheet, I think. -- James Coupe

Mr. Lasombra, sir: You said that: > Only Camarilla vampires can: > - be Primogen or Princes. > - call Praxis Seizures, Justicar Retribution, Command of the > Harpies, or Masquerade Enforcement > - call a vote to burn Elysium: The Arboretum or > Masquerade Enforcement > * - can be chosen as an Archon or Camarilla Exemplary > (however, all vampires suffer the effects of blocking them) > Independent and Sabbat vampires can only use these abilities > if they have a Writ of Acceptance from the Ancient Hearts expansion. However, can non-Camarilla vampires (e.g. a Prisci or Bishop) vote on these matters?? Or can they just not CALL the vote?? Madman (still learning) -- Free audio & video emails, greeting cards and forums Talkway - http://www.talkway.com - Talk more ways (sm)

In article <U1A84.18819$Mg.2...@c01read03-admin.service.talkway.com>, Madman2001 <Mad...@madman.com> wrote: >However, can non-Camarilla vampires (e.g. a Prisci or Bishop) vote on >these matters?? Or can they just not CALL the vote?? No vampires are prohibited by default from voting on any vote. A card such as Inner Circle (I can think of no others, but may be wrong) would be required to do such. It is, as you say, merely a prohibition of calling the vote or, in some instances, being chosen as the recipient of such. -- James Coupe

In article <3HemlLA6...@moodog.demon.co.uk>, James Coupe <ja...@obeah.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In article <U1A84.18819$Mg.285884@c01read03- admin.service.talkway.com>, > Madman2001 <Mad...@madman.com> wrote: > >However, can non-Camarilla vampires (e.g. a Prisci or Bishop) vote on > >these matters?? Or can they just not CALL the vote?? > > No vampires are prohibited by default from voting on any vote. A card > such as Inner Circle (I can think of no others, but may be wrong) > would be required to do such. James is thinking of Closed Session not "Inner Circle" which is a title, not a card. > It is, as you say, merely a prohibition of calling the vote or, > in some instances, being chosen as the recipient of such. The cards/actions specificied in the Sabbat Rules Addendum only prohibit who may call or benefit from the actions, not who may vote in them. In general, all vampires with votes may vote in all referendums unless prohibited by specific card text like Cardinal Benediction or Closed Session. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <3HemlLA6...@moodog.demon.co.uk>, James Coupe <ja...@obeah.demon.co.uk> wrote: >A card >such as Inner Circle (I can think of no others, but may be wrong) would >be required to do such. My apologies: Closed Session. -- James Coupe

Madman2001 <Mad...@madman.com> wrote in message news:U1A84.18819$Mg.2...@c01read03-admin.service.talkway.com... > Mr. Lasombra, sir: > > You said that: > > Only Camarilla vampires can: > > - be Primogen or Princes. > > - call Praxis Seizures, Justicar Retribution, Command of the > > Harpies, or Masquerade Enforcement > > - call a vote to burn Elysium: The Arboretum or > > Masquerade Enforcement > > * - can be chosen as an Archon or Camarilla Exemplary > > (however, all vampires suffer the effects of blocking them) > > Independent and Sabbat vampires can only use these abilities > > if they have a Writ of Acceptance from the Ancient Hearts expansion. Does Writ of Acceptance work on Sabbat? In my game, we always hold 'Non-Camarilla' and 'Sabbat' to be two seperate things. There's also a few other cards that could be really gross if they were held to be same (Covenant of Blood, frex). I think we also allow Sabbat vampires to call the vote to burn Elysium, but then, I'm not sure if its ever really come up. I think in the future, I'll allow Sabbat vampires to be chosen as Archons or Camarilla exemplaries. Happens in our vampire RPG :) Rob

In article <E9R84.23687$TT4.7...@news1.rdc2.on.home.com>, "Robin Lim" <ascen...@home.com> wrote: > > Does Writ of Acceptance work on Sabbat? In my game, we always hold > 'Non-Camarilla' and 'Sabbat' to be two seperate things. There's also > a few other cards that could be really gross if they were held to be > same (Covenant of Blood, frex). I think we also allow Sabbat > vampires to call the vote to burn Elysium, but then, I'm not sure if > its ever really come up. 'Non-Camarilla' is synonymous with "NOT" Camarilla. As far as the game is concerned, any member of a "Non-Camarilla" or Sabbat clan is 'Non-Camarilla' and may play cards as such. Covenant of Blood makes more sense for the Sabbat to play than it does for the Independent clans to play but that's just my personal preference. Yes, Writ of Acceptance works for Sabbat vampires. [ quoted text not captured ]

Lasombra wrote: > > In article <E9R84.23687$TT4.7...@news1.rdc2.on.home.com>, > "Robin Lim" <ascen...@home.com> wrote: > > > > Does Writ of Acceptance work on Sabbat? In my game, we always hold > > 'Non-Camarilla' and 'Sabbat' to be two seperate things. There's also > > a few other cards that could be really gross if they were held to be > > same (Covenant of Blood, frex). I think we also allow Sabbat > > vampires to call the vote to burn Elysium, but then, I'm not sure if > > its ever really come up. > > 'Non-Camarilla' is synonymous with "NOT" Camarilla. > As far as the game is concerned, any member of a "Non-Camarilla" > or Sabbat clan is 'Non-Camarilla' and may play cards as such. Correct. (Rulebook, section 10) > Covenant of Blood makes more sense for the Sabbat to play > than it does for the Independent clans to play but that's > just my personal preference. > > Yes, Writ of Acceptance works for Sabbat vampires. Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) V:TES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/rules.asp