Types for allies and retainers

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote <snip list> Funny, I always assumed most of the 'Animals' and 'Mortals' on this list represented ghouls, especially the ones that cost blood. Hiring Mr. Winthrop as a butler and *not* blood-bonding him would be a serious risk to your daytime sleep :) Cheers, WES

> Mummy - Kherebutu (ally) I thought Kherebutu was a Bane Mummy? Has that changed?

>===== Original Message From "theventrue" <chr...@comcen.com.au> ===== >> Mummy - Kherebutu (ally) > >I thought Kherebutu was a Bane Mummy? Has that changed? Check the other Bane Mumies from Final Nights. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com

LSJ wrote: > > Mage - Thadius Zho (retainer) > Mortal - The Slashers (retainer) > Werewolf - Werewolf Pack (retainer) Are these mistakes, or have they changed from Ally to Retainer? Andy Setite Ruler of Cambridge http://www.geocities.com/setitesuk -- Whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outragous fortune, or get fat on chocolate cake, eat the cake, life is too short to worry!

>===== Original Message From Andy Brown <a...@sanger.ac.uk> ===== >LSJ wrote: >> >> Mage - Thadius Zho (retainer) >> Mortal - The Slashers (retainer) >> Werewolf - Werewolf Pack (retainer) > >Are these mistakes, or have they changed from Ally to Retainer? Mistakes, of course. See the official card lists online. [ quoted text not captured ]

>Funny, I always assumed most of the 'Animals' and 'Mortals' on this list >represented ghouls, especially the ones that cost blood. Hiring Mr. Winthrop >as a butler and *not* blood-bonding him would be a serious risk to your >daytime sleep :) I may be a bit fuzzy on the rules, but I think there's a difference between blood-bonding and ghouling. With blood-bonding, you feed them you blood like three times (explained the easy way) and this creates a lasting bond even after the blood leaves your system. Ghouling lets the ghoul consume some blood so that it has some vampiric blood inside of it that allows it to use some of the vampiric blood's powers. Vampires may have a lot of blood-bound "thralls" but less ghouls since ghouls are more of an investment. Thus ghouls are usually blood-bound but someone who is not blood-bound is not always a ghoul... Halcyan 2

halc...@aol.com (Halcyan 2) wrote in message news:<20010713025110...@ng-cp1.aol.com>... > >Funny, I always assumed most of the 'Animals' and 'Mortals' on this list > >represented ghouls, especially the ones that cost blood. Hiring Mr. Winthrop > >as a butler and *not* blood-bonding him would be a serious risk to your > >daytime sleep :) > > I may be a bit fuzzy on the rules, but I think there's a difference between > blood-bonding and ghouling. With blood-bonding, you feed them you blood like > three times (explained the easy way) and this creates a lasting bond even after > the blood leaves your system. Ghouling lets the ghoul consume some blood so > that it has some vampiric blood inside of it that allows it to use some of the > vampiric blood's powers. Any mortal who consumes Vampiric vitae becomes a ghoul. They stop being a ghoul when the blood leaves their system. A blood-bonded mortal will stop being a ghoul when the blood leaves it's system, and will remain blood bonded for a year - a number of months equal to it's willpower. Mostly.

"Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote > > I may be a bit fuzzy on the rules, but I think there's a difference between > blood-bonding and ghouling. With blood-bonding, you feed them you blood like > three times (explained the easy way) and this creates a lasting bond even after > the blood leaves your system. Ghouling lets the ghoul consume some blood so > that it has some vampiric blood inside of it that allows it to use some of the > vampiric blood's powers. It's the first draught of vitae that makes them a ghoul and it's the third draught that makes one blood-bound to the vampire. I suppose not all retainers would need to be ghouls. Lestat's lawyer in Interview with a Vampire would be a good example of a non-ghouled retainer, though of course not in the WoD. Animals could be ghouls or simply influenced by the Animalism discipline and have no inherent or forced loyalty to the vampire. > Vampires may have a lot of blood-bound "thralls" but less ghouls since ghouls > are more of an investment. Thus ghouls are usually blood-bound but someone who > is not blood-bound is not always a ghoul... You'd only have to provide vitae every once in a while... maybe three months or so, to ensure a consistent blood bond. Pretty good investment really. For an interesting take on ghouls, read the story in the front of the old Liber Des Goules LARP supplement. It's rather funny. Cheers, WES