(LSJ) nephandus clarification ?

From the nephandus clarified card text, should one deduce that an inferior Weather control or Carrion crow played by a minion opposing nephandus in combat has no effect on him ? what about Dagon's Call "side damage then ? the "damaging effect" bit is somewhat confusing. Nephandus (Mage) [Sabbat] Cardtype: Ally Clan: Tremere antitribu Cost: 2 pool [Mage] with 2 life. <0 strength>, 1 bleed. <Nephandus may strike for 1R damage.> Nephandus gets an optional press each combat. [Each strike or damaging effect made against Nephandus by the opposing minion during combat is at -1 damage]. As a (D) action, Nephandus may burn a vampire in torpor to gain 1 life.

"Reyda" <re...@noos.fr> wrote in message news:a1dnhl$pfk$1...@neon.noos.net... [ quoted text not captured ] Can't see why it wouldn't get reduced. If it does damage it's reduced by one, it doesn't matter when or how it does damage. If the opposing plays Weather Control, Carrion Crows and Strikes w/ Dagon's Call all at inferior Nephandus takes 0 damage. Each has it's damage reduced by 1 making them all do 0 damage. Dagon's Call's side effect is a separate damaging effect to it's strike so both parts of Dagon's do 0.

"GreySeer" <e...@i.think.not> wrote in message news:u3lac07...@news.supernews.com... [ quoted text not captured ] but... Mininons inflict -1 damage on him... carrion crow isn't minion inflicting damage. It looks like the clarification made the Nephandus even more powerful. But anyway, why not ? =D reyda

"GreySeer" <e...@i.think.not> wrote in message news:u3lac07...@news.supernews.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Err, let me correct myself. I missed the all-important word *minion*. From R/C/E Damage is only considered to have come from a minion if the damage is from a strike or if an effect specifically states that the damage is dealt by the minion. Damage from other effects is considered "environmental," and has no particular source. This means that damage from WC, CC or Dagon's Call won't be reduced, it's considered environmental because it's not from a strike.

GreySeer wrote: > "GreySeer" <e...@i.think.not> wrote in message > > "Reyda" <re...@noos.fr> wrote in message > > > From the nephandus clarified card text, should one deduce that an inferior > > > Weather control or Carrion crow played by a minion opposing nephandus in > > > combat has no effect on him ? Not true. Neither of these are damage from the opposing minion. > > > what about Dagon's Call "side damage then ? the "damaging effect" bit is > > > somewhat confusing. Hand strike damage is reduced. Press step damage is not. > > > Nephandus (Mage) [Sabbat] > > > combat. [Each strike or damaging effect made against Nephandus by the > > > opposing minion during combat is at -1 damage]. As a (D) action, > > Err, let me correct myself. I missed the all-important word *minion*. > > From R/C/E > Damage is only considered to have come from a minion if the damage is from a > strike or if an effect specifically states that the damage is dealt by the > minion. Damage from other effects is considered "environmental," and has no > particular source. > > This means that damage from WC, CC or Dagon's Call won't be reduced, it's > considered environmental because it's not from a strike. Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3C3B0FE5...@white-wolf.com... [ quoted text not captured ] If, somehow, and for some unknown reason, an minion opposing Nephandus plays Twisting the Knife, it's damage would be reduced by one? Since it is a separate damaging effect and is influcted by the minion?

GreySeer wrote: > [... snip huge chunk of unuse quotage ...] > If, somehow, and for some unknown reason, an minion opposing Nephandus > plays Twisting the Knife, it's damage would be reduced by one? Since it > is a separate damaging effect and is influcted by the minion? Yes. [ quoted text not captured ]