[LSJ] Howler and weapons

Hi =) Howler plays disguised weapon + talbot chainsaw in combat. does she have a press to continue ? does she prevent 1 damage ? can she use the talbot's rush ? still, at your untap phase, i guess someone has to take the damage =)

> Howler plays disguised weapon + talbot chainsaw in combat. > does she have a press to continue ? > does she prevent 1 damage ? > can she use the talbot's rush ? All of those things are using the weapon. > still, at your untap phase, i guess someone has to take the damage =) > I suppose so.

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ wrote: > Gregory Stuart Pettigrew <ethe...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net> wrote: > >>>Howler plays disguised weapon + talbot chainsaw in combat. >>>does she have a press to continue ? >>>does she prevent 1 damage ? >>>can she use the talbot's rush ? >> >>All of those things are using the weapon. >> >> >>>still, at your untap phase, i guess someone has to take the damage =) >> >>I suppose so. > > > Correct. > So basically, sticking someone elses Howler with a Talbot's Chainsaw is a Good Thing[tm] for anyone but the controller of Howler? There must be ways to do this in all of the VTES cards, right? //Doc. -- "Wees jezelf, er zijn al zoveel anderen" - Loesje begin Your_MS_program_incorrectly_interprets_this_as_an_attachment.txt

"The Doctor" <D...@freemail.nl> wrote in message news:40C5BFC1...@freemail.nl... > LSJ wrote: > > Gregory Stuart Pettigrew <ethe...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net> wrote: > > > >>>Howler plays disguised weapon + talbot chainsaw in combat. > >>>does she have a press to continue ? > >>>does she prevent 1 damage ? > >>>can she use the talbot's rush ? > >> > >>All of those things are using the weapon. > >> > >> > >>>still, at your untap phase, i guess someone has to take the damage =) > >> > >>I suppose so. > > > > > > Correct. > > > > So basically, sticking someone elses Howler with a Talbot's Chainsaw is > a Good Thing[tm] for anyone but the controller of Howler? > > There must be ways to do this in all of the VTES cards, right? > If you include the sets beyond Jyhad, yes. There are serveral ways you could get your talbots chain saw on another vampires minion. Raille

Raille wrote: > If you include the sets beyond Jyhad, yes. There are serveral ways you > could get your talbots chain saw on another vampires minion. Alastor, baby! There's a thought. You start Alastor'ing, say, Talbot's Chainsaw and the Eye of Hazimel onto other people's vampires...they use the rushes to beat your vampires into torpor, but you get the last laugh from beyond the grave! --Colin McGuigan

Colin McGuigan wrote: > Raille wrote: > >> If you include the sets beyond Jyhad, yes. There are serveral ways you >> could get your talbots chain saw on another vampires minion. > > > Alastor, baby! Which set is that? I wanna look it up :) > There's a thought. You start Alastor'ing, say, Talbot's Chainsaw and > the Eye of Hazimel onto other people's vampires...they use the rushes to Again, which set is that Eye? > beat your vampires into torpor, but you get the last laugh from beyond > the grave! I don't suppose you could build some defense in the deck, like ehm oh, Obedience? *cackle* Damn this sure sounds like a Malkavian deck :) [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] Oh btw, Talbot's CHainsaw says 'you'... Sounds like a problem to me :) "If bearer is ready during your untap phase, a ready minion you control takes 3 damage (damage not preventable)." Who's the you? Especially when you've moved it away to another Methuselahs vamp... This could be a problem even if someone 'Fast Hands' it from another. I guess noone ever uses Talbot's Chainsaw, his sounds like the kind of problem that would have been addressed way before now if it was a used card :) [ quoted text not captured ]

The Doctor expounded: > > There's a thought. You start Alastor'ing, say, Talbot's Chainsaw and > > the Eye of Hazimel onto other people's vampires...they use the rushes to > > beat your vampires into torpor, but you get the last laugh from beyond > > the grave! > > Oh btw, Talbot's CHainsaw says 'you'... Sounds like a problem to me :) > > "If bearer is ready during your untap phase, a ready minion you control > takes 3 damage (damage not preventable)." > > Who's the you? Especially when you've moved it away to another > Methuselahs vamp... > > This could be a problem even if someone 'Fast Hands' it from another. > I guess noone ever uses Talbot's Chainsaw, his sounds like the kind of > problem that would have been addressed way before now if it was a used > card :) 1) people do use it 2) you addresses the card's controller. Minion cards are controlled by the controller of the vampire they are on (unless they say otherwise)

The Doctor wrote: > Which set is that? I wanna look it up :) Gehenna. Basically: Justicar or Inner Circle political action. Pick a Camarilla vampire. If the referendum succeeds, go through your library and put a piece of equipment on that vampire for half (round down) cost. Additionally, that vampire may +1 stealth rush other vampires (like Archon), but cannot commit diablerie. > Again, which set is that Eye? Promotional card, given away at tournaments. http://monger.vekn.org/showcard.html?ID=1216 Basically, the minion's controller has to burn a pool each turn, or the minion with the eye takes 5 unpreventable damage. --Colin mcGuigan

The Doctor wrote: > Oh btw, Talbot's CHainsaw says 'you'... Sounds like a problem to me :) > > "If bearer is ready during your untap phase, a ready minion you control > takes 3 damage (damage not preventable)." > > Who's the you? Especially when you've moved it away to another > Methuselahs vamp... > > This could be a problem even if someone 'Fast Hands' it from another. > I guess noone ever uses Talbot's Chainsaw, his sounds like the kind of > problem that would have been addressed way before now if it was a used > card :) By default, the "you" on a minion card refers to the controller of the card. If the minion card is on a minion (eg, Talbot's on a vampire), the default controller of the minion card is the controller of the minion. So the "you" in this case would be the controller of the minion that has Talbot's. --Colin McGuigan

> > Alastor, baby! > > Which set is that? I wanna look it up :) > Look it up at http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist_A.html and see it is from Gehenna. > > There's a thought. You start Alastor'ing, say, Talbot's Chainsaw and > > the Eye of Hazimel onto other people's vampires...they use the rushes to > > Again, which set is that Eye? > Look it up under http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist_E.html and see that it's a Promo card. [ quoted text not captured ]

Gregory Stuart Pettigrew wrote: >>>Alastor, baby! >> >>Which set is that? I wanna look it up :) >> > > > Look it up at http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist_A.html and see it is > from Gehenna. Ah, I had not really noticed these pages contain _all_ cards by letter, since I searched the list by set (Jyhad mostly) :) Thanks. And I also found another useful link called Monger. [ quoted text not captured ]

The Doctor wrote: > Ah, I had not really noticed these pages contain _all_ cards by letter, > since I searched the list by set (Jyhad mostly) :) There's also the entire card list in one page: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist.html And the text version: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/downloads/Cardlist.txt And the CSV version: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/downloads/vtescsv.zip [ quoted text not captured ]

> > > Again, which set is that Eye? > > Promotional card, given away at tournaments. > > http://monger.vekn.org/showcard.html?ID=1216 > odd thing. The text on this link states "Rarity: Rare" shouldn't this be "special" or "promo only" or "Unique"?

<snip> > And I also found another useful link called Monger. > You also have another useful link called: http://www.vekn.nu/search.php?page=search to get to another search page. Archibald Zimonyi Malkavian Prince of Gothenburg http://www.vekn.nu

The Doctor <D...@freemail.nl> wrote in message news:<40C5F1C2...@freemail.nl>... > This could be a problem even if someone 'Fast Hands' it from another. > I guess noone ever uses Talbot's Chainsaw, his sounds like the kind of > problem that would have been addressed way before now if it was a used > card :) > > //Doc. Oh, it's definitely used. One of the most frequent uses of it is to use it in a Giovanni deck that has Ambrosius the Ferryman (from Ancient Hearts/Final Nights) in play: ------------------ Ambrosius, The Ferryman (Wraith) [AH:R2, FN:PG] Cardtype: Ally Clan: Giovanni Cost: 3 pool Unique wraith with 2 life. 1 strength, 0 bleed. Ambrosius is immune to damage that is not aggravated. He can move a retainer from your ash heap to a ready vampire you control as an action. Put 3 Pathos counters on the retainer. Remove a Pathos counter from the retainer at the beginning of each of your minion phases. When there are no Pathos counters remaining, remove the retainer from the game. ---------------- So you use Talbot's Chainsaw, and always apply the 'damage to your own minion' to Ambrosius, who is immune to it. -John Flournoy

interne...@hotmail.com (Oortje4ever) wrote in message news:<6ccd3235.0406...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Yes. http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist_E.html#Eye_of_Hazimel [ quoted text not captured ]

Archibald Zimonyi wrote: > > Archibald Zimonyi > Malkavian Prince of Gothenburg Ghe, I used to go to Gothenburg every summer except last one (and this one). Hope to pick up on that habit again as soon as possible (but that would require a good job or a lottery win) [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:55:23 +0200, The Doctor <D...@freemail.nl> wrote: > Colin McGuigan wrote: >> Raille wrote: >> >>> If you include the sets beyond Jyhad, yes. There are serveral ways you >>> could get your talbots chain saw on another vampires minion. >> >> >> Alastor, baby! > > Which set is that? I wanna look it up :) Alastor Type: Political Action Requires: justicar,inner circle Political Card - Worth 1 Vote. Called by any justicar or Inner Circle member at +1 stealth. Choose a ready Camarilla vampire. If this referendum is successful, search your library for an equipment card and place this card and the equipment on the chosen vampire. Pay half the cost (round down) of the equipment. This vampire may enter combat with any vampire controlled by another Methuselah as a +1 stealth (D) action. This vampire cannot commit diablerie. A vampire may have only one Alastor. Rarity: Gehenna:R >> There's a thought. You start Alastor'ing, say, Talbot's Chainsaw and >> the Eye of Hazimel onto other people's vampires...they use the rushes to > > Again, which set is that Eye? Eye of Hazimel Type: Equipment Cost: 3 pool Unique equipment. The minion with this equipment gets +1 bleed and +1 strength. This minion may enter combat with any minion controlled by another Methuselah as a (D) action. If this minion is a vampire, he or she has superior Potence [POT] and superior Chimerstry [CHI], and combat cards cost this vampire 1 less blood to play. While the bearer is ready, this equipment cannot be transferred, moved or stolen. If this equipment is burned, this minion takes 5 unpreventable damage. During your untap phase, burn 1 pool or burn this equipment. Rarity: Promo:20021101 >> beat your vampires into torpor, but you get the last laugh from beyond >> the grave! > > I don't suppose you could build some defense in the deck, like ehm oh, > Obedience? *cackle* > > Damn this sure sounds like a Malkavian deck :) > > //Doc. -- Powerbase: Turku http://www.tenerdo.org/

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:05:06 +0200, The Doctor <D...@freemail.nl> wrote: [Talbot's Chainsaw] >This could be a problem even if someone 'Fast Hands' it from another. >I guess noone ever uses Talbot's Chainsaw, his sounds like the kind of >problem that would have been addressed way before now if it was a used >card :) If you're just using Jyhad cards, Arms Dealers make very good Talbot's Chainsaw fodder. :) Xian