Q: Clan properties

Two questions: 1. A Methuselah creates X vampires by means of Shock Troops. Can one of that Methuselah's other vampires play Revelations of the Sire on one of those newborn?. If so, can Revelations of the Sire be played on a Pander, as well as on a Caitiff?. (Although card text specifies that RotS can only be played on a Caitiff, I think it could be plausible to play it on "clanless" vampires [i.e., Pander]). 2. This question is about Clan Impersonation. Can a "Sabbat" Brujah Antitribu Clan Impersonate into a Camarilla Brujah Antitribu?. Greetings, Damnans

Damnans wrote: > > Two questions: > > 1. A Methuselah creates X vampires by means of Shock Troops. Can > one of that Methuselah's other vampires play Revelations of the Sire on > one of those newborn?. If so, can Revelations of the Sire be played on > a Pander, as well as on a Caitiff?. (Although card text specifies that > RotS > can only be played on a Caitiff, I think it could be plausible to play > it on > "clanless" vampires [i.e., Pander]). No. Card text says (and means) "Caitiff". Random clanless vampires are not "Caitiff". Caitiff are vampires with the Caitiff symbol on them or with card text saying they are Caitiff. > 2. This question is about Clan Impersonation. Can a "Sabbat" Brujah > Antitribu > Clan Impersonate into a Camarilla Brujah Antitribu?. No. He can impresonate A Burjah however (and would thus be Camarilla), or he can hold a Writ of Acceptance (and would thus be a Camarilla Brujah antitribu). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

>1. A Methuselah creates X vampires by means of Shock Troops. Can >one of that Methuselah's other vampires play Revelations of the Sire on >one of those newborn?. If so, can Revelations of the Sire be played on >a Pander, as well as on a Caitiff?. (Although card text specifies that >RotS >can only be played on a Caitiff, I think it could be plausible to play >it on >"clanless" vampires [i.e., Pander]). No. The Shock Troop vampires are clanless Sabbat. They are neither Caitiff nor Pander. And since RofS requires Caitiff, a RofS can not be played on them. For similar reasons (due to explicit card text), a RofS cannot be played on a Pander either. Even though they're all techncially "clanless" (though Pander kind of is a clan), for Jyhad/VTES purposes, there's just something special about the Caitiff... >2. This question is about Clan Impersonation. Can a "Sabbat" Brujah >Antitribu >Clan Impersonate into a Camarilla Brujah Antitribu?. > No. When you change clans, you also change sect-allegiance. So the a Sabbat Brujah Anti can become a Camarilla Brujah (normal) or Sabbat Brujah Anti. You can't Clan Impersonate into a Sabbat Brujah (normal) or a Camarilla Brujah Anti. You can however use the Writ of Acceptance to become Camarilla while maintaining Brujah Antitribu clan status though. Halcyan 2