Aabt Kindred Tempting themselves?

I only saw one post doing a quick google search... (s)he suggested that its possible... So just to ask, Aabt Kindred cannot D action, but can they D action themselves (hence turning it into a NON D action). With that aside, we'd need motivation for people not to block it... perhaps skin of the adder/trap would be enough? But who's afraid of getting punched when they can end combat? Maybe it'd be enough to influence them away from it... so the deck works like this: 10000 Aabt Kindred Library 90 cards 10 BO 10 Free States Rant 3 Cyptic Riders 3 Consservative Agitation 6 Form of Corruption 5 Temptations 5 Atonements 11 Skin of Adder 11 Traps 9 Form of Serpent Masters 2 CreepShow Casino 2 Opium Dens 4 Blood Dolls 2 Path of Typhon 3 Intercept Locations 4 Tribute to Master And I'm sure there's decks exactly like this (I think Jay of Columbus has one), but I just thought of doing it personally myself... Now to get 10000 Aabt Kindred (and 2 CreepShow casino...). ~SV

vermillian wrote: > So just to ask, Aabt Kindred cannot D action, but can they D action > themselves (hence turning it into a NON D action). Yes. Note: there are two 'b's in "Aabbt". -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"vermillian" <vermil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:f987c6cd.02052...@posting.google.com... > I only saw one post doing a quick google search... (s)he suggested > that its possible... > > So just to ask, Aabt Kindred cannot D action, but can they D action > themselves (hence turning it into a NON D action). Yes. Any normally-directed action that an Aabbt Kindred does to its controller's stuff will be an undirected action instead (and therefore legal). This applies to Temptation as much as to "diablerize a vampire" or "Arson a location". > With that aside, we'd need motivation for people not to block it... > perhaps skin of the adder/trap would be enough? But who's afraid of > getting punched when they can end combat? Maybe it'd be enough to > influence them away from it... so the deck works like this: > > 10000 Aabt Kindred > > Library 90 cards > > 10 BO > 10 Free States Rant > 3 Cyptic Riders > 3 Consservative Agitation > 6 Form of Corruption > 5 Temptations > 5 Atonements > 11 Skin of Adder > 11 Traps > 9 Form of Serpent 6 Form of Corruption is probably too many. Such a great card, but you can only have one in play at a time. Try 4. 5 Temptations is probably a good number, given that there aren't *that* many different undirected actions per turn that you can do. If it's possible to put in some Awes instead of/along with some Bewitchings, that'd be good. And some Dramatic Upheavals (about 3) as well for post-Cryptic Ridering. Might be good to have more than just 3 ConAg/KRC, too; these can be passed just by distributing the damage right rather than being Cryptic, you know. You could also use Charming Lobbies if you wanted. I'd probably go down to about 9 Skin/Adder and 9 Trap and 7 Form/Serpent to make room for some of this. > Masters > 2 CreepShow Casino > 2 Opium Dens > 4 Blood Dolls > 2 Path of Typhon > 3 Intercept Locations > 4 Tribute to Master Be good to have some Presence masters to make the Awes and Bewitchings better, too. And Charming Lobbies if you play with them. I'd probably ditch Tributes for them; Blood Dolls are probably good enough. > And I'm sure there's decks exactly like this (I think Jay of Columbus > has one), but I just thought of doing it personally myself... I had a totally different Aabbt Kindred deck for a while (Smiling Jack to oust, no votes, but similar combat and blocking). It's kinda fun anyway, and very confusing to your opponents (you can't take (D) actions and you're going to oust anyone *how*?) but can in fact be hard to oust with. :-) Josh > Now to get 10000 Aabt Kindred (and 2 CreepShow casino...). btw, you'll probably only really need about 12 Aabbt Kindred. ;-)

vermil...@yahoo.com (vermillian) wrote in message news:<f987c6cd.02052...@posting.google.com>... > I only saw one post doing a quick google search... (s)he suggested > that its possible... > > With that aside, we'd need motivation for people not to block it... > perhaps skin of the adder/trap would be enough? But who's afraid of > getting punched when they can end combat? Maybe it'd be enough to > influence them away from it... so the deck works like this: Looks fun. ;) > 10000 Aabt Kindred > > Library 90 cards > > 10 Bewitching Oration > 10 Free States Rant Free States Rant is kind of nice, though I'm not sure it's the best choice. If you added Presence Masters your Kindred would be 5-cap and do 3 points per FSR, almost making it worthwhile. You can't go wrong with KRCs. > 3 Cryptic Riders > 3 Conservative Agitation > 6 Form of Corruption Too many. Nice card though. Consider some Charming Lobbies. If you had those Presence Masters in place, you'd get a couple extra points when you called votes, and if they were blocked, you'd simply call them again. Also can help cycle cards faster. Masochism might be interesting as well. Combat defense and can be used to pay for Serpentis actions/combat. Perhaps a Restoration or two would be worthwhile for the same reasons. > 5 Temptations > 5 Atonements > 11 Skin of Adder > 11 Traps > 9 Form of Serpent Lots of nasty combat here. Perhaps a handful of Catatonic Fear in case you run into some nasty problems. > Masters > 2 CreepShow Casino > 2 Opium Dens > 4 Blood Dolls > 2 Path of Typhon > 3 Intercept Locations > 4 Tribute to Master No need for Tributes. Presence Masters would be good here. I think Khobar Towers, Al-Khubar is always a great card for the FoS--essential if you plan to steal your opponents minions. I'm also partial to Realm of the Black Sun and you may have the intercept to deal with any attempts to remove it. Good luck!

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3CEBD12F...@white-wolf.com>... > vermillian wrote: > > So just to ask, Aabt Kindred cannot D action, but can they D action > > themselves (hence turning it into a NON D action). > > Yes. > Note: there are two 'b's in "Aabbt". Oooohhh. Harsh! Why do you bother? Is it because there's another vampire being released called Aabt kindred in the new set (different from Aabbt Kindred)? On a side note, a joke was made tonight, after someone mispronounced Geneva, that I could always rule that my Prince of New York wouldn't contest with someone elses Archbishop of New York, because my Prince is really the Prince of NeYork (different pronunciation). :) ~SV

"Joshua Duffin" <jtdu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<acgjm2$nij68$1...@ID-121616.news.dfncis.de>... > "vermillian" <vermil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:f987c6cd.02052...@posting.google.com... > > I only saw one post doing a quick google search... (s)he suggested > > that its possible... > > > > So just to ask, Aabt Kindred cannot D action, but can they D action > > themselves (hence turning it into a NON D action). > > Yes. Any normally-directed action that an Aabbt Kindred does > to its controller's stuff will be an undirected action instead > (and therefore legal). This applies to Temptation as much as > to "diablerize a vampire" or "Arson a location". Good to know if I ever want to diablerize one of my own aabbt with an aabbt. > > With that aside, we'd need motivation for people not to block it... > > perhaps skin of the adder/trap would be enough? But who's afraid of > > getting punched when they can end combat? Maybe it'd be enough to > > influence them away from it... so the deck works like this: > > > > 10000 Aabt Kindred > > > > Library 90 cards > > > > 10 BO > > 2 Awes > > 10 Free States Rant > > 3 Cyptic Riders > > 2 Consservative Agitation > > 2 Dramatic Upheaval > > 4 Form of Corruption > > 5 Temptations > > 5 Atonements > > 10 Skin of Adder > > 10 Traps > > 8 Form of Serpent > > 6 Form of Corruption is probably too many. Such a great > card, but you can only have one in play at a time. Try > 4. Numbers changed above. > 5 Temptations is probably a good number, given that there > aren't *that* many different undirected actions per turn > that you can do. > > If it's possible to put in some Awes instead of/along > with some Bewitchings, that'd be good. And some Dramatic > Upheavals (about 3) as well for post-Cryptic Ridering. > Might be good to have more than just 3 ConAg/KRC, too; > these can be passed just by distributing the damage right > rather than being Cryptic, you know. You could also use > Charming Lobbies if you wanted. Hate them... Its a personal thing. (actually I can't remember what they do of the top of my head, don't feel like looking them up, and instead, channeled my laziness into productivity, counter intuitive though, in typing this long explanation out instead...). > I'd probably go down to about 9 Skin/Adder and 9 Trap and > 7 Form/Serpent to make room for some of this. See above. > > Masters > > 2 CreepShow Casino > > 2 Opium Dens > > 5 Blood Dolls > > 2 Path of Typhon > > 3 Intercept Locations > > 1 Tribute to Master > > 2 Presence > > Be good to have some Presence masters to make the Awes > and Bewitchings better, too. And Charming Lobbies if > you play with them. I'd probably ditch Tributes for > them; Blood Dolls are probably good enough. Numbers changed above. I'd like a Tribute though... Just one. Will you give me that?!? :) > > And I'm sure there's decks exactly like this (I think Jay of Columbus > > has one), but I just thought of doing it personally myself... > > I had a totally different Aabbt Kindred deck for a while > (Smiling Jack to oust, no votes, but similar combat and > blocking). It's kinda fun anyway, and very confusing to > your opponents (you can't take (D) actions and you're going > to oust anyone *how*?) but can in fact be hard to oust with. > :-) Yeap. > > Now to get 10000 Aabt Kindred (and 2 CreepShow casino...). And 2 Awes now... :) > btw, you'll probably only really need about 12 Aabbt Kindred. I don't know... guy around here (will) has this deck with 12 anson in it... he actualy got down to 3 of them one game... I suggested maybe adding a few more. What could it hurt? ~SV

"vermillian" <vermil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:f987c6cd.02052...@posting.google.com... > "Joshua Duffin" <jtdu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<acgjm2$nij68$1...@ID-121616.news.dfncis.de>... > > "vermillian" <vermil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:f987c6cd.02052...@posting.google.com... > > > 10000 Aabt Kindred > > > > > > Library 90 cards > > > > > > 10 BO > > > 2 Awes > > > 10 Free States Rant > > > 3 Cyptic Riders > > > 2 Consservative Agitation > > > 2 Dramatic Upheaval > > > 4 Form of Corruption > > > 5 Temptations > > > 5 Atonements > > > 10 Skin of Adder > > > 10 Traps > > > 8 Form of Serpent > Numbers changed above. Looks good. Now play it and find out if it sucks. :-) > Hate them... Its a personal thing. (actually I can't remember what > they do of the top of my head, don't feel like looking them up, and > instead, channeled my laziness into productivity, counter intuitive > though, in typing this long explanation out instead...). Charming Lobby you mean? It's an action requiring Presence; you name a vote card in your hand which you're trying to Lobby Charmingly for; if the CL is unblocked, you put the vote card on the table (and draw to replace) and the referendum described on the vote card is called (all as one action). At inferior Presence, the next vote called (by anyone) passes automatically; at superior Presence, as above and gain 2 votes in the first referendum. So it's cool in that (a) it works like a Cryptic, except that everyone sees it coming, and (b) it gains you more hard-to- vote-down votes for Free States Rant (if you have PRE). I think you currently only have 88 cards in the deck; you could put in two Charming Lobbies and try it out. :-) > > > Masters > > > 2 CreepShow Casino > > > 2 Opium Dens > > > 5 Blood Dolls > > > 2 Path of Typhon > > > 3 Intercept Locations > > > 1 Tribute to Master > > > 2 Presence > Numbers changed above. I'd like a Tribute though... Just one. Will you > give me that?!? :) Sure. You can keep one Tribute. But you'll be sorry. ;-) (I'd rather have a third Presence master instead.) > > > Now to get 10000 Aabt Kindred (and 2 CreepShow casino...). > > And 2 Awes now... :) What, no Awes? ;-) I went from owning 1 to owning, like, 7 in the course of a month or two of trading, but maybe that's unusual. (I then traded a couple away again because it turns out that 5 is about the most I'd ever want to play with in a deck. Bewitching is usually enough.) > > btw, you'll probably only really need about 12 Aabbt Kindred. > > I don't know... guy around here (will) has this deck with 12 anson in > it... he actualy got down to 3 of them one game... I suggested maybe > adding a few more. What could it hurt? Well, it couldn't hurt anything really, but there's no need to wait until you have 10,000 Aabbt Kindred to play this deck, is all I'm saying. Twenty should easily do it. ;-) Josh a-bbbbbbbbbbt

"Joshua Duffin" <jtdu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<acirqf$pahi3$1...@ID-121616.news.dfncis.de>... > "vermillian" <vermil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:f987c6cd.02052...@posting.google.com... > > "Joshua Duffin" <jtdu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:<acgjm2$nij68$1...@ID-121616.news.dfncis.de>... > > > "vermillian" <vermil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > news:f987c6cd.02052...@posting.google.com... > Looks good. Now play it and find out if it sucks. :-) I still need 11 more aabbt sadly... course these things can easily be borred or proxied of course (not intournament play of course). > Charming Lobby you mean? It's an action requiring Presence; > you name a vote card in your hand which you're trying to > Lobby Charmingly for; if the CL is unblocked, you put the > vote card on the table (and draw to replace) and the referendum > described on the vote card is called (all as one action). At > inferior Presence, the next vote called (by anyone) passes > automatically; at superior Presence, as above and gain 2 votes > in the first referendum. > > So it's cool in that (a) it works like a Cryptic, except that > everyone sees it coming, and (b) it gains you more hard-to- > vote-down votes for Free States Rant (if you have PRE). Um... sweet. The next vote called (not mine neccesarily) passes... yeah... that's always a good thing. I call a charmed lobby of a vote, get blocked when trying to take my other voting action, and then my grandprey calls dramatic upheaval and switches with my prey... super sweet... > I think you currently only have 88 cards in the deck; you > could put in two Charming Lobbies and try it out. :-) How about two freak drives instead? > > > > Masters > > > > 2 CreepShow Casino > > > > 2 Opium Dens > > > > 5 Blood Dolls > > > > 2 Path of Typhon > > > > 3 Intercept Locations > > > > 1 Tribute to Master > > > > 2 Presence > > Numbers changed above. I'd like a Tribute though... Just one. Will you > > give me that?!? :) > > Sure. You can keep one Tribute. But you'll be sorry. ;-) > (I'd rather have a third Presence master instead.) Blah blah... how about a power base Montreal instead? :) ~SV

"vermillian" <vermil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:f987c6cd.02052...@posting.google.com... > "Joshua Duffin" <jtdu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<acirqf$pahi3$1...@ID-121616.news.dfncis.de>... > > Looks good. Now play it and find out if it sucks. :-) > > I still need 11 more aabbt sadly... course these things can easily be > borred or proxied of course (not intournament play of course). Yes indeed. That's what I'd do. (That's what I did do for my last Aabbt deck, I only owned about 4 of them at the time. Now I have plenty, though.) [charming lobby] > Um... sweet. The next vote called (not mine neccesarily) passes... > yeah... that's always a good thing. I call a charmed lobby of a vote, > get blocked when trying to take my other voting action, and then my > grandprey calls dramatic upheaval and switches with my prey... super > sweet... Well, you only want to do it when you're pretty sure you can get another vote called that turn. Or when you're pretty sure no one else is going to call a vote before your next turn comes around. :-) It really is nice to have more +votes for Free States Rants, though. > > I think you currently only have 88 cards in the deck; you > > could put in two Charming Lobbies and try it out. :-) > > How about two freak drives instead? Yes, that would also be a good card. heh. > > Sure. You can keep one Tribute. But you'll be sorry. ;-) > > (I'd rather have a third Presence master instead.) > > Blah blah... how about a power base Montreal instead? :) Well, Montreal is pretty good, yeah, and I did play one in my Aabbt deck, but for that (and the Rack, similar) you want to keep in mind that if anyone does succeed in stealing it from you, you can never steal it back. :-) (Unless you manage to Tempt Nefertiti from someone or something.) Josh nefer-whozi?