Q: Rescuing from a Vampire from Torpor

Quick Question: If i try to rescue another players Vampire in torpor, who decides which vampire burns the blood? The rescuer or the Meth of the vampire beeing rescued? -- Daniel Eriksson Karlskrona Sweden E-Mail: wal...@nr1.nu MSN: walkert...@hotmail.com ICQ: 15819557

Daniel Eriksson wrote: > > Quick Question: > > If i try to rescue another players Vampire in torpor, who decides which > vampire burns the blood? The rescuer or the Meth of the vampire beeing > rescued? The acting minion's controller decides. The decision is announced as part of declaring the action. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3E14EF1F...@white-wolf.com>... > Daniel Eriksson wrote: > > > > Quick Question: > > > > If i try to rescue another players Vampire in torpor, who decides which > > vampire burns the blood? The rescuer or the Meth of the vampire beeing > > rescued? > > The acting minion's controller decides. > The decision is announced as part of declaring the action. So you're saying that I can "force" my prey to pay when I rescue a Famed vampire that I had just torpored?

Jeff Kuta wrote: :: LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message [ quoted text not captured ] Yes. That's the basics of the "fame yoyo" kind of deck =)

[ quoted text not captured ] "Force" only inasfar as the target's controller doesn't block, yes. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message:<3E14EF1F...@white-wolf.com>... > Daniel Eriksson wrote: > > > > Quick Question: > > > > If i try to rescue another players Vampire in torpor, who decides which > > vampire burns the blood? The rescuer or the Meth of the vampire beeing > > rescued? > > The acting minion's controller decides. > The decision is announced as part of declaring the action. Is that really so? Sorry if I am the Suspecting Thomas or something but this question has risen many times in our playgroup, and we(that is Turku playgroup) have thought that the acting minion's controller cannot force the rescued vampire to pay... Antero

"AL" <nom...@jippii.fi> wrote in message news:ea6a080a.03010...@posting.google.com... > > The acting minion's controller decides. > > The decision is announced as part of declaring the action. > > Is that really so? Sorry if I am the Suspecting Thomas or something > but this question has risen many times in our playgroup, and we(that > is Turku playgroup) have thought that the acting minion's controller > cannot force the rescued vampire to pay... > > Antero Really so. Doubt not the word of LSJ. (or the earth will topple off of its axis and we'll all be destroyed!) ;-) -JTP

[ quoted text not captured ] Really so. When an action resolves, the cost is paid. There is no choice at that time. If the vampire in torpor decides to rescue himself, then he cannot decide not to pay the cost when the action resolves. If a vampire attempts Force of Will and is somehow obliged to pay for an action modifier that he hadn't expected to need to pay (leaving him with only 1 blood), he cannot choose not to pay the cost of the Force of Will when the action resolves (even though paying will mean that the 2agg damage burns him while not paying would mean that he just goes to torpor empty). Additionally, the decisions about the action are made by the acting minion. When a minion plays a Bum's Rush, the target cannot "choose" not to be the target. When a vampire rescues another from torpor, the target cannot "choose" no to be the target, nor can he "choose" not to be selected to pay some or all of the cost. The acting vampire chooses. [ quoted text not captured ]