[LSJ] Reindoctrination and Mata Hari

LSJ, Does Reindoctrination set the Gargoyle's new slave status to Ravnos or to Tremere/ !Tremere. It appears from the wording that it would set the new slave status to Ravnos, since that is Mata Hari's actual clan not the impersonated one. Is this right? Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr XZealot Archon of the Swamp

XZealot wrote: > LSJ, > Does Reindoctrination set the Gargoyle's new slave status to Ravnos or > to Tremere/ !Tremere. It appears from the wording that it would set > the new slave status to Ravnos, since that is Mata Hari's actual clan > not the impersonated one. Is this right? No. If she plays it as a Tremere, then she plays it as a Tremere and, for purposes of resolving that card, that card treats her as a Tremere. Similarly for cases where she plays it as a Tremere antitribu. -- That is my story, be it bitter or be it sweet. Keep a little and let a little come back to me. LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ wrote: > XZealot wrote: > > > LSJ, > > Does Reindoctrination set the Gargoyle's new slave status to Ravnos or > > to Tremere/ !Tremere. It appears from the wording that it would set > > the new slave status to Ravnos, since that is Mata Hari's actual clan > > not the impersonated one. Is this right? > > No. If she plays it as a Tremere, then she plays it as a Tremere and, > for purposes of resolving that card, that card treats her as a Tremere. So, cards mata plays remember that she was once a membor of the clan by how she played it, and don't see her Ravnosity? Interesting... ~SV

Screaming Vermillian wrote: > LSJ wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] A card she is playing sees her how she is playing it. If it saw her Ravnosity, she wouldn't be able to play it, since it requires a Tremere (or Tremere antitribu). A card in play sees her how she is in play. Reindoctrination is never put in play. It is played, it produces an effect as it is played, and then it is gone. It never has to remember anything, since it is only around "in the moment" it is being played. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > Screaming Vermillian wrote: > > LSJ wrote: > >>XZealot wrote: > >>>Does Reindoctrination set the Gargoyle's new slave status to Ravnos or > >>>to Tremere/ !Tremere. It appears from the wording that it would set > >>>the new slave status to Ravnos, since that is Mata Hari's actual clan > >>>not the impersonated one. Is this right? > >> > >>No. If she plays it as a Tremere, then she plays it as a Tremere and, > >>for purposes of resolving that card, that card treats her as a Tremere. > > > > So, cards mata plays remember that she was once a membor of the clan by > > how she played it, and don't see her Ravnosity? > > A card she is playing sees her how she is playing it. > > If it saw her Ravnosity, she wouldn't be able to play it, since it requires > a Tremere (or Tremere antitribu). > > A card in play sees her how she is in play. > > Reindoctrination is never put in play. It is played, it produces an effect > as it is played, and then it is gone. It never has to remember anything, > since it is only around "in the moment" it is being played. You're damn right. My question was so moot cause Reindoctrination doesn't stay in play. Silly me... Wish the card had been quoted at the beginning of the thread... ~SV