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So - way to go Ben Peal winning his second continental Champs! playing a Daughters votey breedy thing. Can't believe its not being discussed already :O) Some details are on the NAC Blog... Ant

[ quoted text not captured ] Grats to Ben, very well done. 1 i tough, 2 is very very respectable!!!

On Sep 24, 7:25 am, Anthony Coleman <Buntina...@gmail.com> wrote: > So - way to go Ben Peal winning his second continental Champs! playing > a Daughters votey breedy thing. > > Can't believe its not being discussed already :O) Most players are travelling home this morning. I'm sure there will be some discussion soon. > Some details are on the NAC Blog... Yeah, a bit. I'm sure this is not completely accurate but here's what I got from it. Top seeded Kevin Mergen, playing Dementation bleed, chose to sit Matt Wedge's Prey. Matt Wedge was playing a finely tuned Una deck. Ira Fay attempted to 2nd Tradition a key action of Una's but the 2nd Tradition was stopped by a Direct Intervention from Ben Peal. Ben clearly was not thrilled by the idea of having Kevin as a heavy bleeding predator. Ira was very unhappy and agreed to layoff Matt Wedge and split the table 3-2 (Matt taking 3). Matt was burning or torporing vampires at will. He seemed to have a counter for everything. He had multiple manuevers, flak jacket, Ivory Bow, Owl Companion, Hawg, the Helicoptor (at times), Ghoul Retainer (uses bow while minion is immortally grappled). Matt had free Skin of Steel to prevent damage. Even though Matt could kill at will, he said he would need about 12 turns by his estimate to obtain the 3 vps (destroy all vamps and bleed through all of the pool) and then Ira would get his 2 vp. Ira continued to build up and increase his swarm. Ira could have ousted Matt but didn't. However, a couple of turns later on Matt's turn (AFTER Matt had already used a built-in rush he had in play), Ira let Matt know that he no longer thought that Matt had the goods to keep their deal. Matt disagreed but Ira had essentially announced his decision to break their earlier deal. Matt began rushing backwards. Most of the discussion revolved around getting on Matt's good side and working with him. Ben Peal and Ben Swainbank kept throwing barbs into the discussions to subtlely work things in their favor. Ben Swainbank seemed frustrated and sometimes seemed the only sane person at the table and kept trying to get players to just focus on their own preys rather than making deals. Ben's best point was to point out that Matt and Ira's 3-2 split couldn't happen if another player was ousted out of turn. Matt ousted Kevin Mergen using Mylan's bleed of 1 to finish him off. Kevin was hampered by a hand of jammed stealth. Late in the game, Ben Swainbank brought out one of the Madness Network he had in hand. Ben Swainbank seemed to be working for a bleed oust of Ira. With all players that Matt attacked (aka Everybody!) being forced to play with an open hand, everybody was able to play with almost perfect information. Ira drew a Bonding and, with only minutes remaining, made a lunge at Matt only to find that Una's Blessing of Chaos prevented Ira from playing the card. The spectators gasped. Matt lunged at Ben to knock down voters. Ben Swainbank lunged at Ira via the Madness Network but came up short due to Ira's deflections. Ben Peal played a Parity Shift and took 4 of Swainbank's pool. With seconds left Ben Peal played a KRC to take down Swainbank and then Ira (IIRC, it was the same KRC that also killed Ira, though possibly it was a simple bleed or something). The game timed out. Ben got either 1.5 or 2.5 and Wedge got 1.5 but had a lower seeding than Ben. For players who liked lots of table talk and shifting alliances, this was a great game. I loved it to death. Very intense and great play when they were actually playing cards. For some there was too much talk going on but most of the spectators were hushed and very impressed with the level of play. In fact, the game was reminiscent of Ben's last NAC win with 2 fighty decks as his grand predator and great grand predator and again lots of table talk. Congrats to Ben Peal and all of the finalists for a very memorable game. -Robert

Robert Goudie <RobertT...@gmail.com> wrote: > was a simple bleed or something). The game timed out. Ben got either > 1.5 or 2.5 and Wedge got 1.5 but had a lower seeding than Ben. The game timed out? I thought the NAC was going to have a 5 hour final. ...or did it?

On Sep 24, 9:04 am, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] The game had a 3 hour final and timed out. While White Wolf requested that we have an untimed final, it wasn't practical since some people had already purchased plane tickets, etc. If I had to guess, the game would have ended with Ben stealth bleeding past the Una deck. -Robert

Grats to Ben Peal on a well-earned 2nd Continental Championship victory! Also kudos to my buddy Kevin Mergen for making it all the way to the final table, even if he was playing sleezy S&B. ;) Grats buddy! Wish I could have been there!!!

Robert Goudie <RobertT...@gmail.com> wrote: > The game timed out. Ben got either 1.5 or 2.5 and > Wedge got 1.5 but had a lower seeding than Ben. The game did NOT time out. Ben Peal ousted Ben Swainbank, Ira, and Matt at 2:59:20. Yes, with 40 seconds to go. BenP - 3vp MattW - 1vp KevinM - 0vp (top seed) Ira - 0vp BenS - 0vp Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier

On Sep 24, 9:51 am, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: > Robert Goudie <RobertT.Gou...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The game timed out. Ben got either 1.5 or 2.5 and > > Wedge got 1.5 but had a lower seeding than Ben. > > The game did NOT time out. > > Ben Peal ousted Ben Swainbank, Ira, and Matt at 2:59:20. Yes, with 40 > seconds to go. > > BenP - 3vp > MattW - 1vp > KevinM - 0vp (top seed) > Ira - 0vp > BenS - 0vp Yes, that's it. It all happened in a flash there at the end. -Robert

"Kevin M." <you...@imaspammer.org> wrote in message news:lYRJi.178895$zz2....@newsfe12.phx... > Robert Goudie <RobertT...@gmail.com> wrote: >> The game timed out. Ben got either 1.5 or 2.5 and >> Wedge got 1.5 but had a lower seeding than Ben. > > The game did NOT time out. > > Ben Peal ousted Ben Swainbank, Ira, and Matt at 2:59:20. Yes, with 40 > seconds to go. > > BenP - 3vp > MattW - 1vp > KevinM - 0vp (top seed) > Ira - 0vp > BenS - 0vp Hmmm. I gather Ben must have gotten 4 VP, not 3. Otherwise you have a missing victory point somewhere for a 5-player game which did not time out. Fred

On Sep 24, 10:05 am, "Frederick Scott" <nos...@no.spam.dot.com> wrote: > "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote in message > > news:lYRJi.178895$zz2....@newsfe12.phx... > > > Robert Goudie <RobertT.Gou...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The game timed out. Ben got either 1.5 or 2.5 and > >> Wedge got 1.5 but had a lower seeding than Ben. > > > The game did NOT time out. > > > Ben Peal ousted Ben Swainbank, Ira, and Matt at 2:59:20. Yes, with 40 > > seconds to go. > > > BenP - 3vp > > MattW - 1vp > > KevinM - 0vp (top seed) > > Ira - 0vp > > BenS - 0vp > > Hmmm. I gather Ben must have gotten 4 VP, not 3. Otherwise you have > a missing victory point somewhere for a 5-player game which did not > time out. Yes, that's right. Not that you should trust my "correct" at this point. But yes, that is what happened. -Robert

Robert Goudie skrev: > > The game had a 3 hour final and timed out. While White Wolf requested > that we have an untimed final, it wasn't practical since some people > had already purchased plane tickets, etc. > I must ask. How come WW requested an untimed final round? I have really bad experience with untimed finals so I want to know why they want it to go in that direction. Regards Alex Ek Prince of Gothenburg, Sweden

Alex Ek <a...@student.chalmers.se> wrote in news:fd8v99$r08$1 @gide.ita.chalmers.se: > Robert Goudie skrev: >> >> The game had a 3 hour final and timed out. While White Wolf requested >> that we have an untimed final, it wasn't practical since some people >> had already purchased plane tickets, etc. >> > > I must ask. > How come WW requested an untimed final round? > I have really bad experience with untimed finals so I want to know why > they want it to go in that direction. To eliminate issues of too much table talk causing timeouts, and maybe also to start collecting data on how long a finals "really" takes to play out, if left to its own devices... DZ AW

Robert Goudie <RobertT...@gmail.com> wrote in news:1190656571.7...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: [ quoted text not captured ] Confirmed with Ben Peal via cellphone; he got 4VP. I also learned that Swainbank lunged for the possible win, not onc,e not twice, but _three_ times, and Ira had an answer each time. Ben P. opines that this totally helped set up his own opportunity to lunge for the win. GawdblezzthacawmunwelthaMazzachoozetts! DZ AW

On Sep 24, 11:39 am, atomweaver <atomwea...@hotmail.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] True. Ben knew Ira had some bleed bounce so I'm sure he didn't think the first lunge or two would be successful. I have this vague memory of Ira replacing one bleed bounce with another from his library. Swainbank had a 2nd Tradition and some intercept but no blood on his vamp. Probably due to the lunge but I can't be sure. -Robert

Congratulations Ben!!! :) John Ivar

"Kevin M." <you...@imaspammer.org> wrote in message news:lYRJi.178895$zz2....@newsfe12.phx... > Robert Goudie <RobertT...@gmail.com> wrote: >> The game timed out. Ben got either 1.5 or 2.5 and >> Wedge got 1.5 but had a lower seeding than Ben. > > The game did NOT time out. > > Ben Peal ousted Ben Swainbank, Ira, and Matt at 2:59:20. Yes, with 40 > seconds to go. > > BenP - 3vp > MattW - 1vp > KevinM - 0vp (top seed) > Ira - 0vp > BenS - 0vp > > Way to go, Ben! Congrats on the repetition, repetition, repetition! And to the rest of the finalists as well. - Pat

Congarts on the 2nd Continental Championships Ben! -Lönkka/Janne www.ahmametal.com www.myspace.com/iwearnohelmet

Anthony Coleman schrieb: > So - way to go Ben Peal winning his second continental Champs! playing > a Daughters votey breedy thing. The to-be-expected result considering the absence of his personal nemesis :) -- Johannes Walch

"Robert Goudie" <RobertT...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1190650653.6...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... [ quoted text not captured ] According to LSJ all finals are supposed to be timed. I find it odd that WW itself would request an untimed final. Raille

Raille wrote: > According to LSJ all finals are supposed to be timed. I find it odd that WW > itself would request an untimed final. As before "untimed" is unfeasible. When people say untimed, they mean "long" time limit.

On 25 sep, 11:42, "Raille" <rai...@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Robert Goudie" <RobertT.Gou...@gmail.com> wrote in message [ quoted text not captured ] I would guess, that because of WW also giving some promotion to the event, that it is, for promotional reasons, for them much preferrable to have a 'clear winner' - ie. the person who won the finals. That's just wild speculation, though. Cheers, B

[ quoted text not captured ] IIRC Swainbank was ousted by <Cannot recall if it was bleed or vote> Peal then ousted Ira with a pair of KRC (3- Ira, 1-Matt) and then (1- Ira, 3-Matt) and finished Matt with a bleed or two for one. 42 seconds left. Congrats to Ben and the other finalists. And it was nice to see that in the in the dying seconds everybody was hurrying to resolve actions and no one decided to stall for the time out, which would have been very easy to do. Congrats again to all five finalists, and to everybody else who was in the NAC. John P. Winnipeg 370? days to Montreal

Robert Goudie wrote: > Ira drew a Bonding and, with only minutes remaining, made a lunge at > Matt only to find that Una's Blessing of Chaos prevented Ira from > playing the card. The spectators gasped. I gasped, too! > Matt lunged at Ben to knock down voters. Ben Swainbank lunged at Ira > via the Madness Network but came up short due to Ira's deflections. > Ben Peal played a Parity Shift and took 4 of Swainbank's pool. With > seconds left Ben Peal played a KRC to take down Swainbank and then Ira > (IIRC, it was the same KRC that also killed Ira, though possibly it > was a simple bleed or something). The game timed out. Ben got either > 1.5 or 2.5 and Wedge got 1.5 but had a lower seeding than Ben. Swainbank's lunge was crazier than that. At the end of my turn, he took a shot at Ira via the Madness Network. During his own turn, he took another shot. Before my turn started, he took a third shot. Ira had enough On the Qui Vive, 2nd Trad, and bounce to bail it out, and Swainbank couldn't draw the one more point of stealth he needed. The last turn started with me at 4, Ben Swainbank at 4, Ira Fay at 2, and Matt Wedge at 4, with about 2 minutes to play. I played a Creepshow Casino to cycle, then bled Ben Swainbank for one, followed by a KRC for the oust and putting Ira at 1. Next was a KRC to oust Ira, leaving Matt at 1, and then a bleed for 1 since Matt was tapped out. 40 seconds left. Whew. There was a Parity Shift played, but that was by Ben Swainbank's Lucian on a previous turn to give 4 of Ira's pool to Matt. > For players who liked lots of table talk and shifting alliances, this > was a great game. I loved it to death. Very intense and great play > when they were actually playing cards. For some there was too much > talk going on but most of the spectators were hushed and very > impressed with the level of play. The players and decks were, in order of play: Ben Swainbank (4) - Lucian Madness Network + Obedience Ira Fay (3) - EuroBrujah Matt Wedge (5) - Una multi-multi-act Kevin Mergen (1) - Obf-Dem bleed Ben Peal (2) - Daughters of Cacophony breed-boon (prelim rankings in parentheses) As coincidence would have it, Ben Swainbank, Ira Fay, and I were staying in room 271. :) > In fact, the game was reminiscent of Ben's last NAC win with 2 fighty > decks as his grand predator and great grand predator and again lots > of table talk. Both finals were described as "agonizing to watch". :) > Congrats to Ben Peal and all of the finalists for a very memorable > game. Thanks! Thanks also to Oscar, LSJ, White Wolf, Mike Courtois, and Robert Goudie for getting this event together and making it all possible. Thanks also to Xian Herro for lending me some key cards. Thanks also also to Larry Snelly for taking the time to meet the players. Thanks also also also to all of the players for a bunch of fun, challenging, and often hysterical games. - Ben Peal

[ quoted text not captured ] Matt Wedge had the only motivation to stall since he would have won by stalling. Everybody else was hustling to lunge and get the victory. Everybody was trying for it and everybody had a shot at it too. -Robert

On Sep 25, 8:20 am, benp...@gmail.com wrote: > Robert Goudie wrote: > > Ira drew a Bonding and, with only minutes remaining, made a lunge at > > Matt only to find that Una's Blessing of Chaos prevented Ira from > > playing the card. The spectators gasped. > > I gasped, too! > > > Matt lunged at Ben to knock down voters. Ben Swainbank lunged at Ira > > via the Madness Network but came up short due to Ira's deflections. > > Ben Peal played a Parity Shift and took 4 of Swainbank's pool. With > > seconds left Ben Peal played a KRC to take down Swainbank and then Ira > > (IIRC, it was the same KRC that also killed Ira, though possibly it > > was a simple bleed or something). The game timed out. Ben got either > > 1.5 or 2.5 and Wedge got 1.5 but had a lower seeding than Ben. > > Swainbank's lunge was crazier than that. At the end of my turn, he > took a shot at Ira via the Madness Network. During his own turn, he > took another shot. Before my turn started, he took a third shot. Ira > had enough On the Qui Vive, 2nd Trad, and bounce to bail it out, and > Swainbank couldn't draw the one more point of stealth he needed. Interesting. So that means that Swainbank spent the remaining blood on his vampires to make his lunge. Swanbank was ousted with a 2nd Tradition and a Telepathic Misdirection that could have gotten him to 3 intercept if he'd had the blood on the vamp. Again, great to see everybody gunning for each other down the stretch. > The last turn started with me at 4, Ben Swainbank at 4, Ira Fay at > 2, and Matt Wedge at 4, with about 2 minutes to play. I played a > Creepshow Casino to cycle, then bled Ben Swainbank for one, followed > by a KRC for the oust and putting Ira at 1. Next was a KRC to oust > Ira, leaving Matt at 1, and then a bleed for 1 since Matt was tapped > out. 40 seconds left. Whew. > > There was a Parity Shift played, but that was by Ben Swainbank's > Lucian on a previous turn to give 4 of Ira's pool to Matt. Yes, thanks. > > For players who liked lots of table talk and shifting alliances, this > > was a great game. I loved it to death. Very intense and great play > > when they were actually playing cards. For some there was too much > > talk going on but most of the spectators were hushed and very > > impressed with the level of play. > > The players and decks were, in order of play: > > Ben Swainbank (4) - Lucian Madness Network + Obedience > Ira Fay (3) - EuroBrujah > Matt Wedge (5) - Una multi-multi-act > Kevin Mergen (1) - Obf-Dem bleed > Ben Peal (2) - Daughters of Cacophony breed-boon > > (prelim rankings in parentheses) > > As coincidence would have it, Ben Swainbank, Ira Fay, and I were > staying in room 271. :) Weren't Ira and Swainbank in the finals of the LCQ as well? > > In fact, the game was reminiscent of Ben's last NAC win with 2 fighty > > decks as his grand predator and great grand predator and again lots > > of table talk. > > Both finals were described as "agonizing to watch". :) I liked watching both of them. :-) > > Congrats to Ben Peal and all of the finalists for a very memorable > > game. > > Thanks! Thanks also to Oscar, LSJ, White Wolf, Mike Courtois, and > Robert Goudie for getting this event together and making it all > possible. Thanks also to Xian Herro for lending me some key cards. > Thanks also also to Larry Snelly for taking the time to meet the > players. Thanks also also also to all of the players for a bunch of > fun, challenging, and often hysterical games. Thanks for the clarifications. There was so much happening and it happened so fast that few observers can really nail it down. :) Ben won a signed Theo Bell at Beach print, a copy of V:TES artist Leif Jones' new SE7EN: Envy comic, his mug on a future V:TES card, a sealed box of The Sabbat booster cards, a $100 gift certificate to DriveThruRPG.com, a Danse MaCabre print, an official Hollywood Walk of Fame star and a trip to the EC next year. -Robert

On 25 Sep, 17:44, Robert Goudie <RobertT.Gou...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ben won a signed Theo Bell at Beach print, a copy of V:TES artist Leif > Jones' new SE7EN: Envy comic, his mug on a future V:TES card, a sealed > box of The Sabbat booster cards, a $100 gift certificate to > DriveThruRPG.com, a Danse MaCabre print, an official Hollywood Walk of > Fame star and a trip to the EC next year. Ben already has his face on a card. Delilah Monroe Surely? Anthony

On Sep 25, 11:20 am, benp...@gmail.com wrote: > > Swainbank's lunge was crazier than that. At the end of my turn, he > took a shot at Ira via the Madness Network. During his own turn, he > took another shot. Before my turn started, he took a third shot. Ira > had enough On the Qui Vive, 2nd Trad, and bounce to bail it out, and > Swainbank couldn't draw the one more point of stealth he needed. > I drew it during my discard... What I REALLY wanted to do was lunge during the Mad Net action and DI the Deflection. But I had to use the DI to stop the Sire's Lure so I could play Obedience to keep Lucian untapped. So, then I came up short during lunges 1 and 2 where either another point of stealth or a Conditioning would have done the job. I was going to hold off on lunge #3 because I assumed it would a require at least another stealth top deck unless I cleared my defense first. But at the end of Matt's turn I realized time or getting ousted might keep me from another turn. And Ira produced the Deflection during lunge #3. Ira, tell me you didn't pull that Deflection during your discard... I went into lunge #3 thinking if it failed I was cooked. In retrospect since Ben P. had the Siren's Lure (I think) I was cooked either way. So, I'm glad I took the shot. But, I must say that was a GREAT game. Congrats Ben P. on a well- orchestrated win on a very tight, very tough table. And BIG THANKS to the hosts and organizers for a fun, fantastic event. -Ben Swainbank

Robert Goudie <RobertT...@gmail.com> wrote in news:1190738644.6...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com: > On Sep 25, 8:20 am, benp...@gmail.com wrote: >> Both finals were described as "agonizing to watch". > > I liked watching both of them. > Goudie = masochist... but then, we all already knew _that_. ;-) > Ben won a signed Theo Bell at Beach print, a copy of V:TES artist Leif > Jones' new SE7EN: Envy comic, his mug on a future V:TES card, a sealed > box of The Sabbat booster cards, a $100 gift certificate to > DriveThruRPG.com, a Danse MaCabre print, an official Hollywood Walk of > Fame star and a trip to the EC next year. > Holy Monty Haul, Loot-man!!! Nice prize package, there. So Ben, when is the Sabbat booster draft going to occur? I reckon I haven't cracked me a Red 'n Black Double-Wide in quite a few years... :-) DaveZ Atom Weaver

On Sep 25, 12:44 pm, Robert Goudie <RobertT.Gou...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ben won a signed Theo Bell at Beach print, a copy of V:TES artist Leif > Jones' new SE7EN: Envy comic, his mug on a future V:TES card, a sealed > box of The Sabbat booster cards, a $100 gift certificate to > DriveThruRPG.com, a Danse MaCabre print, an official Hollywood Walk of > Fame star and a trip to the EC next year. More like this please :) witness1

On Sep 25, 9:14 am, Ben Swainbank <bswainb...@hotmail.com> wrote: > I was going to hold off on lunge #3 because I assumed it would a > require at least another stealth top deck unless I cleared my defense > first. But at the end of Matt's turn I realized time or getting ousted > might keep me from another turn. And Ira produced the Deflection > during lunge #3. Ira, tell me you didn't pull that Deflection during > your discard... >From my recollection (I was standing behind Ira at that point), during your final lunge (when he used 2nd with Volker, right?), he had an On the Qui Vive and a Deflection in hand. At any rate, he had at least 1 deflection and a 2nd or OtQV at all times in his hand, at least as far as I could tell over the last few turns. Xian

Ben Swainbank wrote: > Ben Peal wrote: > > Swainbank's lunge was crazier than that. At the end of my turn, he > > took a shot at Ira via the Madness Network. During his own turn, he > > took another shot. Before my turn started, he took a third shot. Ira > > had enough On the Qui Vive, 2nd Trad, and bounce to bail it out, and > > Swainbank couldn't draw the one more point of stealth he needed. > > I drew it during my discard... Yeeeeeesh... > What I REALLY wanted to do was lunge during the Mad Net action and DI > the Deflection. But I had to use the DI to stop the Sire's Lure so I > could play Obedience to keep Lucian untapped. Ooooo...yeah, you had to stop the Siren's Lure that turn or you were toast. > I went into lunge #3 thinking if it failed I was cooked. In retrospect > since Ben P. had the Siren's Lure (I think) I was cooked either way. > So, I'm glad I took the shot. Yeah, I had the Siren's Lure. > But, I must say that was a GREAT game. Congrats Ben P. on a well- > orchestrated win on a very tight, very tough table. Thanks! heheheh..."well-orchestrated" win with the Daughters... ;) > And BIG THANKS to the hosts and organizers for a fun, fantastic event. Hells yeah! - Ben Peal

On Sep 25, 7:20 am, benp...@gmail.com wrote: > possible. Thanks also to Xian Herro for lending me some key cards. Any time, man. Glad they helped. I should thank Josh Duffin for lending me a Fame at the last minute, but since I never drew it, it was clearly a cursed Fame, and I should not be thanking him. Perhaps even anti-thanking him. Xian curse you, Duffin!

[ quoted text not captured ] Now that is GOOD prize support. Really awesome. The paid EC trip alone is worth it, but the box of SABBAT?!?!?!? Whaaaaat? So jealous, again, grats mr Peal! And to everyone else concerned, wow, seems you had an awesome event.

On Sep 24, 10:25 am, Anthony Coleman <Buntina...@gmail.com> wrote: > So - way to go Ben Peal winning his second continental Champs! playing > a Daughters votey breedy thing. > > Can't believe its not being discussed already :O) > > Some details are on the NAC Blog... > > Ant Congrats Ben! Oh, and everyone knows Ben is already on a card: Kassyim Malikhair.

On Sep 25, 2:31 pm, benp...@gmail.com wrote: > Ben Swainbank wrote: > > But, I must say that was a GREAT game. Congrats Ben P. on a well- > > orchestrated win on a very tight, very tough table. > > Thanks! heheheh..."well-orchestrated" win with the Daughters... ;) Any chance of a decklist? witness1

Rhavas <Anthony...@gmail.com> wrote in news:1190748763.790381.97620 @d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: [ quoted text not captured ] The new artwork will make an even greater impression! DaveZ Atom Weaver

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:25:00 -0700, Anthony Coleman <Bunti...@gmail.com> wrote: > So - way to go Ben Peal winning his second continental Champs! playing > a Daughters votey breedy thing. Way to go, Ben! Gratulálok a második kontinentális győzelmedhez! :) -- Regards, Daneel

Daneel wrote: > Way to go, Ben! > > Gratulálok a második kontinentális gy zelmedhez! :) Nagyon szépen köszönöm! :) - Ben

witness1 wrote: > Any chance of a decklist? Deck Name: Angellore (Live In LA) Created By: Ben Peal Description: This is a modified version of the deck I used to win the 2007 Origins qualifier. I chose this version of breed-boon for the 2007 NAC (and EC) because of its anti-ally capabilities, its combat defense, its surprise lunge capability, and its strong vote lock/push. I dropped the 2 Enchant Kindred in favor of more Entrancements and another Direct Intervention. I changed a Consanguineous Boon into an Autarkis Persecution and 2 Kine Resources Contested into 2 Conservative Agitations as a defense against Delaying Tactics. I dropped the 2 Change of Target and the 1 Crusade: Philadelphia since I wasn't getting much use out of them. In their place, I added an event package of Absimiliard's Army, Break the Code, and The Uncoiling. Absimiliard's Army isn't in there for the synergy with Entrancement (though it's nice), but is instead intended as a defense against rush combat. This paid off in Round 2 of the 2007 NAC, when I had Norm Brown's Basilia deck as a predator. Again, Siren's Lure is a devastating card. It can change a run of the mill "bleed for 1 to get the edge" turn into an ousting lunge. To answer a frequently-asked question, I don't use Ensemble because it's just asking to be bounced, leaving me to spend the next turn hunting with everyone. CRYPT (12) 2 Celeste, The Voice of a Secret mel pre 3 Daughters of Cacophony 2 Muse ani for mel 3 Daughters of Cacophony 2 Delilah Monroe MEL for pre 4 Daughters of Cacophony 2 Angela Preston MEL PRE for 5 Daughters of Cacophony 2 Gael Pilet FOR MEL chi pre 6 Daughters of Cacophony 2 Yseult FOR MEL PRE 6 Daughters of Cacophony LIBRARY (90) 2 Paris Opera House 3 Conductor 1 The Barrens 1 Creepshow Casino 3 Bastille Opera House 4 Blood Doll 3 Direct Intervention 8 Consanguineous Boon 1 Autarkis Persecution 7 Kine Resources Contested 2 Conservative Agitation 9 The Embrace 10 Siren's Lure 10 The Missing Voice 8 Majesty 6 Entrancement 8 Soak 1 Daring the Dawn 1 Absimiliard's Army 1 Break the Code 1 The Uncoiling

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Howdy Ben, Congratulations on the win! > Again, Siren's > Lure is a devastating card. It can change a run of the mill "bleed > for > 1 to get the edge" turn into an ousting lunge. I guess I've never really seen it in play (probably due to its rarity)... I was sort of expecting to see some sort of aggressive combat to go with the Lures, but all I see is Majesty (which, admittedly is good tech) and Soak? Could you go into a bit more detail about the awesometasticity of this card? How does it turn a bleed for 1 into an ousting lunge? [ quoted text not captured ] I'm additionally very surprised not to see any real blood gain tech, particularly Voter Cap. Were the Blood Dolls mostly used to 'blow through the straw', with the Boons keeping you flush with enough pool both for defense and breeding? Its always interesting to look at your deck lists - you consistently make what look to my eye to be very unconventional choices, which tend to be very well thought out/tested, and seem to work out quite well for you. Thanks, and again congrats, Alex

On Sep 26, 1:16 pm, wumpus <wump...@comcast.net> wrote: > I guess I've never really seen it in play (probably due to its > rarity)... I was sort of expecting to see some sort of aggressive > combat to go with the Lures, but all I see is Majesty (which, > admittedly is good tech) and Soak? Could you go into a bit more > detail about the awesometasticity of this card? How does it turn a > bleed for 1 into an ousting lunge? Having been on the receiving end previously - Siren's Lure, being a "block fails; tap the blocker" card that's backed up by running out of the combat or preventing, means that if the bleed for 1 gets a block attempt, you end up with a tapped minion and no block, *plus* the action gets through to begin with. It's basically Faceless Night + Elder Impersonation in one card, for free. With enough minions, ick. This isn't to say that you couldn't figure out how the card works; I'm guessing it's just not having seen it in play. It sure surprised me when Ben started playing this in Boston... It's the combination of minion denial and block denial, which can open the door for a swarm bleed to get through if they were counting on a few blockers being useful to them. Especially if, say, you left up 2 or 3 blockers, since there's a horde of Daughters at your back, but each time you tried to block it failed, *and* tapped someone. - D.J.

[ quoted text not captured ] I recall you making it a goal of yours a couple years back to win a major tournament using a deck without any bounce. I presume this qualifies in your mind? :) Congrats! Jeff

Alex wrote: > Howdy Ben, > > Congratulations on the win! Heya! Thanks! > > Again, Siren's Lure is a devastating card. It can change a run of the mill > > "bleed for 1 to get the edge" turn into an ousting lunge. > > I guess I've never really seen it in play (probably due to its > rarity)... Yeah, it's a pain in the neck to get enough of them. > I was sort of expecting to see some sort of aggressive > combat to go with the Lures, but all I see is Majesty (which, > admittedly is good tech) and Soak? Could you go into a bit more > detail about the awesometasticity of this card? How does it turn a > bleed for 1 into an ousting lunge? The combat is entirely protective, since Siren's Lure means having to fight people. Most of the time, you're just going to take hands for one. The point of Siren's Lure isn't to get into combat - it's to make blocks fail and tap would-be blockers so I can get my actions to suceed. As for the awesometasticity, Meej (DJ Chagnon of Boston) covered it well. Siren's Lure can get 2 actions to succeed instead of one, since it fails the block (helping the current action) and taps the would-be blocker (helping a future action). So, you have a few Daughters and a few Embrace weenies out. You bleed for one, just looking to get the edge. Your prey tries to block, but you play Siren's Lure. Now he's got an additional minion tapped and 5 more guys looking to bleed or KRC him, and you might Siren's Lure him again. Basically, you're causing your prey to use extra minion resources to stop your swarm. > I'm additionally very surprised not to see any real blood gain tech, > particularly Voter Cap. Were the Blood Dolls mostly used to 'blow > through the straw', with the Boons keeping you flush with enough pool > both for defense and breeding? I used Voter Cap in an early version of the deck, but found that my votes were usually only passing by one or two, making Voter Cap not really worth it. The Blood Dolls are there for their usual multi- functionality. In Round 3 of the NAC, I found myself farming off of Blood Dolls for a while, since I had my Con Boons DT'ed 3 times, DI'ed twice, and Vox Domini'ed once. There were other times when I pushed onto the Blood Doll so I could rescue or to make an Embrace baby. The Con Boons are mainly for defense, but I'll certainly bring out another Daughter with 'em if I can afford it. As for Madrigal, I found that I was mainly acting with the littlest ones, since I want to keep the ones with MEL untapped for Siren's Lure. A few of them might be a good call for the deck, though. There've been a few times where I would've liked an extra blood on someone. Generally, though, the Soaks, Majesties, and Blood Dolls keep the girls out of trouble enough that I don't worry much about blood management. > Its always interesting to look at your deck lists - you consistently > make what look to my eye to be very unconventional choices, which tend > to be very well thought out/tested, and seem to work out quite well > for you. Heh, thanks, though you only get to see the successes posted here - not the failures. ;) The 30 Mind of a Killer deck was epically bad. :) > Thanks, and again congrats, Thanks again! - Ben

> Heh, thanks, though you only get to see the successes posted here - > not the failures. ;) The 30 Mind of a Killer deck was epically > bad. :) That's only cause you were not sense depping your prey as well. :) Tobias

Jeff Kuta wrote: > I recall you making it a goal of yours a couple years back to win a > major tournament using a deck without any bounce. I presume this > qualifies in your mind? :) Heheheh...that it does. :) I did win the New Jersey qualifier a couple years ago with a Nos+!Nos obf-ani weenie deck, as well: http://www.thelasombra.com/decks/twd.htm#2k5ecrq Alas, only 17 players due to a nasty snowstorm. > Congrats! Thanks! - Ben

Johannes Walch skrev: > Anthony Coleman schrieb: > > > So - way to go Ben Peal winning his second continental Champs! playing > > a Daughters votey breedy thing. > > The to-be-expected result considering the absence of his personal nemesis :) One must take advantage of these opportunites as they arise. ;) - Ben

On Sep 25, 10:14 am, Ben Swainbank <bswainb...@hotmail.com> wrote: > I was going to hold off on lunge #3 because I assumed it would a > require at least another stealth top deck unless I cleared my defense > first. But at the end of Matt's turn I realized time or getting ousted > might keep me from another turn. And Ira produced the Deflection > during lunge #3. Ira, tell me you didn't pull that Deflection during > your discard... I had it in my hand the whole time. Also, I had a redirection as well as deflection, in case of a DI. :) So you weren't going to kill me with bleeds... In fact, I had hoped that you would have started bleeding me sooner. What I wonder, Ben S, is if I had said, "I'll support a parity shift against me if you take all the pool yourself," would you have still given the pool to Matt, or would you have taken it yourself? Giving that extra pool to Matt prevented me from ousting him. I think Matt gained something like 10 pool from crosstable votes. Ira

On Sep 26, 10:08 am, benp...@gmail.com wrote: > Deck Name: Angellore (Live In LA) > Created By: Ben Peal > 2 Paris Opera House > 3 Conductor > 1 Creepshow Casino > 3 Bastille Opera House > 9 The Embrace > 10 Siren's Lure > 6 Entrancement > 1 Daring the Dawn > 1 Absimiliard's Army > 1 Break the Code > 1 The Uncoiling Nice, 38 rares. (plus the 3 DI's) I'm sure there are tourney decks with a higher rare count, but 38 is impressive. -Matt

[ quoted text not captured ] Creepshow, Daring the Dawn, and Entrancement have all ben printed in Starters. 28 rares. -- - Gregory Stuart Pettigrew

On Sep 27, 7:03 am, "Mongrel (MDH)" <mong...@hotpop.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] These aren't hard cards to get, except for the Siren's Lure. As Ben has said, those things are extremely hard to find. Now that Ben has shown their awesomticity, they will be even harder. Also, I believe it would be 30 rares; 1 Daring, 1 Creepshow, 6 Entrancement is 8, not that it matters, but let's try to get the math right, for the sake of the children.

On Sep 27, 6:01 am, "ira...@gmail.com" <ira...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 25, 10:14 am, Ben Swainbank <bswainb...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I had a redirection as well > as deflection, in case of a DI. :) So you weren't going to kill me > with bleeds... In fact, I had hoped that you would have started > bleeding me sooner. So much for my dreams of near glory... > > What I wonder, Ben S, is if I had said, "I'll support a parity shift > against me if you take all the pool yourself," would you have still > given the pool to Matt, or would you have taken it yourself? A turn or two earlier I probably would have. At the very end there, I think Ben P. had vote lock on both of us. And after the Shift went off you were at 4? pool and I need to get through it with 3-4 bleeds. It was "now or never" time. The 4 extra pool wouldn't have helped me much and accidentially ousting your prey after a Deflection would definately have sunk my lunge. So, probably not. > Giving > that extra pool to Matt prevented me from ousting him. I think Matt > gained something like 10 pool from crosstable votes. > Awww... Well, you got, what 7? pool from Ben Peal's cross-table votes. He got about 13 pool thanks to generous vote support from his predator(?!) and grand-prey. I got a rock. -Ben Swainbank