-, many of these are cheap...
With Camille: Fame her, bleed with Day Ops, untap with Movement of the Slow Body
Rapid Healing with Day Operations, Untap with Movem't...
With any superior fortitude vampire, (either camille or with a skill card)
bleed, Freak Drive, hunt with Aaron's razor (assuming that's the one that gives
you an extra blood whenever you hunt; I'm not sure. If not, Restoration.),
Freak Drive, bleed, freak drive, hunt....
With Monocle of Clarity and Succubus club: Will you obey the command I'm about
to give you? (note this isn't self-referential.)
If yes, give me all your blood.
If no, refrain from giving me all your blood.
Actually, I just want fame to hose the controller and Monocle to apply only
Bto the past and present
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to past and present.
M. le B. Marius Pontmercy
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> With any superior fortitude vampire, (either camille or with a skill card)
> bleed, Freak Drive, hunt with Aaron's razor (assuming that's the one that gives
> you an extra blood whenever you hunt; I'm not sure. If not, Restoration.),
> Freak Drive, bleed, freak drive, hunt....
>
>> M. le B. Marius Pontmercy
>
>
You have shown that you enjoy the Freak Drive card, but have forgotten
one basic rule. (That was right in the little rulebook and has never been
questioned, just ignored or forgotten.)
Each minion may only use one of any action modifier/reaction on the same
action/reaction. So you can't just keep using it over and over. This
applies especially to those of you with your supposedly "great" turn three
Mega-bleeds. It is good to be creative, and some of us can't help it
(I'll use Wake to untap The Elysium), but we all need to abide by the
rules at least.
Remy
leb...@u.washington.edu | It's not my fault!
Gambit at the U.W. | Laugh it up fuzzball!
| - Han Solo
"I don't want the world, I just want your half."
"Life is like a riddle, and I'm really stumped."
In article <Pine.A32.3.91c.95022...@homer21.u.washington.edu>,
James Bowes <leb...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
>
> -edit
>>> With any superior fortitude vampire, (either camille or with a skill card)
>> bleed, Freak Drive, hunt with Aaron's razor (assuming that's the one that gives
>> you an extra blood whenever you hunt; I'm not sure. If not, Restoration.),
>> Freak Drive, bleed, freak drive, hunt....
>>
>>
>> M. le B. Marius Pontmercy
>>
>>> You have shown that you enjoy the Freak Drive card, but have forgotten
>one basic rule. (That was right in the little rulebook and has never been
>questioned, just ignored or forgotten.)
>
> Each minion may only use one of any action modifier/reaction on the same
>action/reaction. So you can't just keep using it over and over. This
>applies especially to those of you with your supposedly "great" turn three
>Mega-bleeds. It is good to be creative, and some of us can't help it
>(I'll use Wake to untap The Elysium), but we all need to abide by the
>rules at least.
Whenever you untap with freakdrive and start another action, you are starting
another action(easy to understand right) therefore you can play freak drive on
that new action.
In article <3ifeqe$r...@redwood.cs.scarolina.edu>,
L. Scott Johnson <sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu> wrote:
>Not obeying the command requires to to not obey the command.
>So you *must* not refrain from giving him all of your blood.
>And you're ousted.
>If you allow the question, which you shouldn't (game balance and all :-).
except that:
not (refrain from giving me all your blood) != give me all your blood.
Just give him one pool. You've fulfilled your obligation.
heckler
the monocle requires a team of semanticians to keep it under control
--
Would you like a slice
of his liver so nice?
-Bryan O'Sullivan
Guy Keen (G...@hceltd.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article: <3ij1rk$l...@tadpole.fc.hp.com> pap...@fc.hp.com (Bob Ellison) writes:
: >
: > > >> With Monocle of Clarity and Succubus club: Will you obey the command I'm about: > > >> to give you? (note this isn't self-referential.): > > Yeah, but it's still way out of line, and a good way to get the card banned.
: >
: > > >> If yes, give me all your blood.: > > >> If no, refrain from giving me all your blood.: >
: > > >Not obeying the command doesn't require me to obey its converse. Your
: > > >"command" is wasted breath. ;-)
: >
: > > Not obeying the command requires to to not obey the command.: > > So you *must* not refrain from giving him all of your blood.
: > > And you're ousted.: >
: > It's pretty rare for L.Scott and I to disagree (and I'm usually wrong
: > when it happens :-). But I'm going to try anyway. ;-)
: >
: > If you tell me to eat a frog, and I obey, I must eat a frog.
: > But if you tell me to eat a frog, and I refuse, I am free to
: > eat a frog anyway if I so desire.
: >
: > Logically: If I obey you, then I will eat a frog. A standard
: > logical syllogism. The statement above can only be made false
: > if "I obey you" is true and "I eat a frog" is false. If the
: > statement "I obey you" is false, then the consequent is unrestricted.
: >
: > And another thing... it is generally impossible to hand over your
: > influence pool; there are no mechanics for it, unless one or the
: > other of you has the Succubus Club.: Surely the overriding issue here has got to be the intended usage of
: the card and the spirit/balance of the game (or whatever you want to
: call it. The card, I'm sure, is intended for the holder to glean
: information, not for him to co-erce or force other Methuselahs into
: other courses of action. Otherwise the card would have been
: explicit in stating the consequences of giving a false answer, or
: behaving contrary to an answer.: Anyway, the question as it stands is too vague. Technically, to
: obey the question, the Methuselah himself should cut his wrists and
: bleed to death! He need not touch his pool or his vampires, so he ought
: to have a good 15 minutes of playing time before he passes out.: Above all I can't understand why so much effort is spent trying to
: utterly destabilize the game. What are you playing the game for?: ***Guy***
--
If you meant me, I'm not trying to destabilize the game. I want cards that
aren't destabilizing. Monocle and Fame are annoying, and should be changed;
I would like to see everything else remain the same. Especially Blood Dolls
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In article: <3ifdjd$n...@redwood.cs.scarolina.edu> sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. Scott Johnson)
writes:
>
> James Bowes <leb...@u.washington.edu> writes:
>
>
> >
> > -edit
>
> >> With any superior fortitude vampire, (either camille or with a skill card)
> >> bleed, Freak Drive, hunt with Aaron's razor (assuming that's the one that gives
> >> you an extra blood whenever you hunt; I'm not sure. If not, Restoration.),
> >> Freak Drive, bleed, freak drive, hunt....
> >>> > You have shown that you enjoy the Freak Drive card, but have forgotten
> >one basic rule. (That was right in the little rulebook and has never been
> >questioned, just ignored or forgotten.)
>
> > Each minion may only use one of any action modifier/reaction on the same
> >action/reaction. So you can't just keep using it over and over.
>> That's right: you can only untap once after each action. :-)
>
> If you find yourself untapped, however, you get to take *another* action.
> You may use any action modifiers on this action (as appropriate, of course
> no bonding to a vote :-), including ones you may have used on a *prior*
> action this turn.
>
> L. Scott
I read this differently. Firstly, the basic Freak Drive card says "Only
usable immediately after this vampire performs a successful action."
That means that the action has been completed, and this card (a modifier
to that first action) untaps the vampire, and leaves it ready to perform
a new action. Similarly, that action can be modified with a Freak Drive
as can each, separate subsequent action.
I don't understand the piece about untapping once after each action.
You only need to untap once after any action. A vampire is left tapped
after it completes an action. If it plays a card such as Freak Drive to
untap during that turn, that leaves it ready to begin a new action -
the prior action is over and done with, and similarly the new action
could also be modified to leave a vampire untapped at the end of it.
Where has it ever been said that a vampire can only untap once in a
turn? Separate actions must be treated independently.
Interested in your reply,
***Guy***
G...@hceltd.demon.co.uk (Guy Keen) writes:
[ quoted text not captured ]>Interested in your reply,
-???-
That's what I said. You can only untap once after each action using
Freak Drive. You can't untap an untapped vampire, and you couldn't play
another Freak Drive on the same action even if you could untap twice.
Once you take another action, however, you may untap after it with another
freak drive if you have one.
Sorry to have started so much trouble with my post, but I was
misunderstanding the action of Freak Drive. From the discriptions given,
it sounded as if the cards were being used on the same action again and
again. (I only just recently traded for my first F. Drive so did not have
it to read.)
Remy
leb...@u.washington.edu | It's not my fault!
Gambit at the U.W. | Laugh it up fuzzball!
| - Han Solo
"I don't want the world, I just want your half."
"Life is like a riddle, and I'm really stumped."
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