contest yourself

what was the final verdict on contesting your own vampire. I think you can forfeit one of your vamps the next turn, then pay one blood to keep the other one and that vampire is ready to go that turn. is this right? Nat

gym...@aol.com (GymNat1) wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Turn 1: Contest a vamp you already have in play. Both copies go face down (out of play) Turn 2: Yield one copy, pay 1 pool for the other. Turn 3: Gain control of copy previously paid for at beginning of your untap. Hope this helps Regards, R. David Zopf guenh...@mindspring.com Atom Weaver V:EKN Prince of Charlotte, NC

In article <8n5bu2$mq7$2...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, [ quoted text not captured ] hi can you contest yourself and play 'thanks for the donation' ? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <8n5tl1$tdg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, fen...@my-deja.com writes >can you contest yourself and play 'thanks for the donation' ? No, as card texts requires you to be contesting the card with another Methuselah. -- James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D | ja...@zephyr.org.uk (New e-mail) "Who'd have ever predicted the moment would come when I find myself grateful they've kept women dumb? She's an innocent maiden but then so am I, that's why it's possible I could get by."

Err, I'm a bit behind on this one. Are you saying that you cannot simply uncontest one at the start of your turn to bring the other back into play immediately? Are you able to point me in the direction of the thread where this was all worked out? Thanks, Andrew. In article <8n5bu2$mq7$2...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, guenh...@mindspring.com wrote: > gym...@aol.com (GymNat1) wrote: > > >what was the final verdict on contesting your own vampire. I think you can > >forfeit one of your vamps the next turn, then pay one blood to keep the other > >one and that vampire is ready to go that turn. is this right? Nat > > Turn 1: Contest a vamp you already have in play. Both copies go face > down (out of play) > > Turn 2: Yield one copy, pay 1 pool for the other. > > Turn 3: Gain control of copy previously paid for at beginning of your > untap. > > Hope this helps > > Regards, > R. David Zopf > guenh...@mindspring.com > Atom Weaver > V:EKN Prince of Charlotte, NC > > [ quoted text not captured ]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 03:40:06 GMT, hel...@my-deja.com wrote: >Err, I'm a bit behind on this one. Are you saying that you cannot >simply uncontest one at the start of your turn to bring the other back >into play immediately? Are you able to point me in the direction of >the thread where this was all worked out? Si, senor. The proper source for this is not a thread, though, but the rulebook, section 4.1: "The cost to contest a card is one pool, which you pay during each of your untap phases. Instead of paying the cost to contest the card, you may choose to yield the card. A yielded card is burned. Any cards or counters stacked on the yielded card are also burned. If all other copies of a card you are contesting are yielded, then the card is untapped and turned face-up at the start of your next untap phase, ending the contest." So: End of turn one, influence out a vampire to contest your "used" vampire. Turn both copies face down. At the start of your untap phase of turn two, all other copies of the card you are contested have not been yielded. None are untapped and turned face-up. Any other events that occur at the start of your untap phase also occur now. DURING your untap phase of turn two, you may pay one pool to continue contesting any cards, or yield them. In this case, you would yield the "used" copy, and pay one pool to continue contesting the "new" copy. At the start of your untap phase of turn three, you gain control of the "new" copy since no other copies are contested at this time. So no, if you lose Sir Walter to torpor, you can't just finish influencing out another Sir Walter and gain him back, full, for much less effort next turn. =) -- Derek Jack-Booted Thug of Atlanta

The Auckland (New Zealand) gathering has been playing this one all wrong then! My thanks for setting us straight. Andrew. In article <rhcfps8ntg6fnulau...@4ax.com>, [ quoted text not captured ]

I was under the impression that you could yeild contestion at any time, not just during the beginning of your turn, therefore you contest with yourself, yeild at the end of your predators turn, thereby turning over the contested vampire at the beginning of your turn....

[ quoted text not captured ] No. Yielding is a consequence of not paying to contest - a decision only made during one's untap phase. [4] -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

In article <20000816065105...@ng-fc1.aol.com>, Johann K. Plourde <amor...@aol.com> writes >I was under the impression that you could yeild contestion at any time, not >just during the beginning of your turn, No, only during the relevant phase of your untap phase. It goes, very roughly: 1) Untap all vampires 2) If any of your cards are now uncontested, get them in play, untapped 3) Contest a card and pay a pool OR yield it 4) Other untap effects (e.g. burning a pool for Antediluvian Awakening) 3) is the only point when you can yield a card and because it follows on from 2), all Methuselahs get the (now uncontested) card back in their untap phase during *their* phase 2 - which, for you, means next turn. [ quoted text not captured ]