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[LSJ] Gratiano votes count

5 messages from 3 participants · 22 October 2004 – 25 October 2004
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dvorax

Hi, I have a question about Gratiano's interaction with vote counting cards like Leadership Vacuum or Political Struggle. I know the ruling about Prisci with no votes "in general"[RTR 19970630]. But what about this very special Priscus, with the additional vote. a) How much counters do I put on the Vacuum, when Gratiano goes to torpor? b) How much votes does my vamp get, when Gratiano goes to torpor? (I'm Almost 100% sure, that the answer is the same ;) ). thanks dvorax.

Daneel

[ quoted text not captured ] Any conditionality or divergence from the standard "1 vote, 2 vote" or normal vote providing sect-based titles results in the votes in question not counting as votes at all for any card or effect that counts the general number of votes a given vampire possesses. a) zero b) zero -- Bye, Daneel

LSJ

"Daneel" <dan...@eposta.hu> wrote in message news:opsf9izn...@news.chello.hu... [ quoted text not captured ] Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu

dvorax

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<2tsbgqF...@uni-berlin.de>... > "Daneel" <dan...@eposta.hu> wrote in message > news:opsf9izn...@news.chello.hu... > > On 22 Oct 2004 00:15:51 -0700, dvorax <dvor...@gmx.net> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > I have a question about Gratiano's interaction with vote counting > > > cards like Leadership Vacuum or Political Struggle. I know the ruling > > > about Prisci with no votes "in general"[RTR 19970630]. But what about > > > this very special Priscus, with the additional vote. > > > a) How much counters do I put on the Vacuum, when Gratiano goes to > > > torpor? > > > b) How much votes does my vamp get, when Gratiano goes to torpor? (I'm > > > Almost 100% sure, that the answer is the same ;) ). > > > > Any conditionality or divergence from the standard "1 vote, 2 vote" or > > normal vote providing sect-based titles results in the votes in question > > not counting as votes at all for any card or effect that counts the > > general number of votes a given vampire possesses. > > > > a) zero > > b) zero > > > Correct Are the votes gained by a Political Struggle "standard 1 vote, 2 vote"? They are clearly not sect-based, so this would be the only possibility for them to count for Leadership Vacuum, Island of Yiaros or another Political Struggle. (they count, see #9 in http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&threadm=3FE35741.6060808%40white-wolf.com) In the case, they are "standard" 1 vote, 2 vote, why doesn't the vampire count as titled then? (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&threadm=3B0BE1AD.EA6D8FEA%40white-wolf.com) thanks dvorax.

LSJ

dvorax wrote: > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<2tsbgqF...@uni-berlin.de>... >>"Daneel" <dan...@eposta.hu> wrote in message [ quoted text not captured ] Sorry, yes. Political Struggle and Leadership Vacuum counts the number of votes a vampire "has", without regard to titles (although LV requires the vampire to be a titled one in the first place). My previous "correct" was in error. The "zero. zero." part was correct -- Gratiano has no votes in the main referendum, which is what those things are counting. But the votes that those things do count (in the main referendum) are not limited to the stanard "title" votes. The votes granted by Political Struggle are not title votes, either. They're just votes. Having votes doesn't necessarily make one titled. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/