Necromantic Instruction...

"Tower of London : Master: unique location. When an action requiring Necromancy is successful, tap this location to gain 1 pool." It works when recruiting Shambling Hordes, although the card isn't an action card, because to recruit then you need Necromancy, right ? "Sanguine Instruction : Requires a ready vampire. +1 stealth action. Choose a discipline this vampire has at superior. Put this card on a ready vampire of the same clan as this acting vampire. The vampire with this card has the normal level of the chosen discipline. If the vampire already had the discipline, he or she now has the superior level of that discipline. The vampire's capacity increases by 1; the vampire is one generation older. Cannot be played on a vampire with the superior version of the discipline." So, in order to teach Necromancy, you need to have it ; so, in a way, playing this card to teach Necro "requires" necro ; so, would you win 1 pool with the Tower ??? -- Yours, Orpheus, Prince of Marseille http://no.exit.free.fr (onlive novel) http://cypheranima.free.fr (goth band) news://news.zoo-logique.org/VTES-francophone audio...@yahoogroups.com

>"Tower of London : Master: unique location. When an action requiring >Necromancy is successful, tap this location to gain 1 pool." > >It works when recruiting Shambling Hordes, although the card isn't an action >card, because to recruit then you need Necromancy, right ? You can use the Tower when recruiting Shambling Hordes. Shambling Hordes is an action (recruit ally) that requires Necromancy. Notice that it says "action," *not* "action card" (like Beast and Matteus). >"Sanguine Instruction : Requires a ready vampire. +1 stealth action. Choose >a discipline this vampire has at superior. Put this card on a ready vampire >of the same clan as this acting vampire. The vampire with this card has the >normal level of the chosen discipline. If the vampire already had the >discipline, he or she now has the superior level of that discipline. The >vampire's capacity increases by 1; the vampire is one generation older. >Cannot be played on a vampire with the superior version of the discipline." > >So, in order to teach Necromancy, you need to have it ; so, in a way, >playing this card to teach Necro "requires" necro ; so, would you win 1 pool >with the Tower ??? I would say no, you cannot use the Tower of London. You do not need Necromancy to play the card. There is one particular effect that you can invoke if you have NEC, but the card does not require you to have NEC (you could very well teach DOM or OBT instead). Halcyan 2

> >"Tower of London : Master: unique location. When an action requiring > >Necromancy is successful, tap this location to gain 1 pool." > >"Sanguine Instruction : Requires a ready vampire. +1 stealth action. Choose > >a discipline this vampire has at superior. Put this card on a ready vampire > >of the same clan as this acting vampire. The vampire with this card has the > >normal level of the chosen discipline. If the vampire already had the > >discipline, he or she now has the superior level of that discipline. The > >vampire's capacity increases by 1; the vampire is one generation older. > >Cannot be played on a vampire with the superior version of the discipline." > > > >So, in order to teach Necromancy, you need to have it ; so, in a way, > >playing this card to teach Necro "requires" necro ; so, would you win 1 pool > >with the Tower ??? > > I would say no, you cannot use the Tower of London. > > You do not need Necromancy to play the card. There is one particular effect > that you can invoke if you have NEC, but the card does not require you to have > NEC (you could very well teach DOM or OBT instead). (I wish I could teach Obt to Giovanni... ;-) But as you pointed out, it says "an action requiring", and not "a card requiring", so there is the ambiguity. We would need an LSJ here I'd say... Thanks anyway for your opinion, but I need to B sure ! Yours, Orpheus

Halcyan 2 wrote: > You can use the Tower when recruiting Shambling Hordes. Shambling Hordes is an > action (recruit ally) that requires Necromancy. Correct. > I would say no, you cannot use the Tower of London [when using Sang. Instruction > to "teach" Necromancy]. > > You do not need Necromancy to play the card. There is one particular effect > that you can invoke if you have NEC, but the card does not require you to have > NEC (you could very well teach DOM or OBT instead). Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

In message <a57uab$4og$1...@wanadoo.fr>, Orpheus <orph...@wanadoo.fr> writes: <Tower of London and Sanguine Instruction> >But as you pointed out, it says "an action requiring", and not "a card >requiring", so there is the ambiguity. We would need an LSJ here I'd say... The card doesn't require it, nor does the action. You just select one discipline you have at superior. -- James Coupe but I lust after the raw pow0r of c. PGP 0x5D623D5D together with the humping great EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 elephant arse of gnome. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D - Vashti