Gaining control of Clanbound cards

I fast hands a Kali's Fang. Can I use it? I Kine dominate a Hunting ground of another clan. Can I use it? I guess yes for both, since cards texts only say "this vampire" and "a vampire", while some other cards, specifically say "The <insert clan name> vampire with this.... etc." (example sword of judgment).

Ulugh Beg II wrote: > I fast hands a Kali's Fang. Can I use it? Yes. But not on the same round that you stole it. > I Kine dominate a Hunting ground of another clan. Can I use it? Yes. > I guess yes for both, since cards texts only say "this vampire" and "a > vampire", while some other cards, specifically say "The <insert clan > name> vampire with this.... etc." (example sword of judgment). Exactly. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

>> I fast hands a Kali's Fang. Can I use it? > >Yes. But not on the same round that you stole it. What if you steal it, and then use an additional strike card? Could you use it then? ------------------------- Cambridge by Night. http://www.geocities.com/eryx_uk/Cambridge_by_night.html

Colin Goodman wrote: >>>I fast hands a Kali's Fang. Can I use it? >> >>Yes. But not on the same round that you stole it. > > > What if you steal it, and then use an additional strike card? Could you use it > then? No, as stated. Stolen equipment cannot be used in the round in which it is stolen. See "steal equipment" under "6.4.5. Strike Effects" in the rules. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3F451024...@white-wolf.com>... > No, as stated. > > Stolen equipment cannot be used in the round in which it is stolen. > See "steal equipment" under "6.4.5. Strike Effects" in the rules. So you steal it, psyche! the combat, and show the other vampire how to use the weapon the CORRECT way. Hrm... story of this combat: "No, no, no, no, you silly Parmenides.. haven't you learned anything from staying at my Holiday Inn when you came out? You don't hold the Kali's Fang by the grip.. you hold it by the BLADE.. oh.. you're bleeding.. sorry.. I'm holding the grip *stabs Parmenides in the heart* Sorry you had to work for that stupid Tzimisce !"

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3F44F77...@white-wolf.com>... > Ulugh Beg II wrote: > > I fast hands a Kali's Fang. Can I use it? > > Yes. But not on the same round that you stole it. I was told there are certain restriction on this, however. If you have a Ravnos in play with a Treasured Samadji, they get the bleed and dodge bonuses. However, if you Heidelberg it to a Gangrel you control, the Gangrel gets neither because the card text specifies, "The Ravnos with this equipment..." Other equipment with this restriction includes Enchanted Marionette (!Malk) and Erebus Mask (HoS). I can't think of any others off-hand.

On 21 Aug 2003 16:43:52 -0700, jeff...@hotmail.com (Jeff Kuta) scrawled: [ quoted text not captured ] Sword of Judgement and Sword of Troile spring to mind. salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm

jeff...@hotmail.com (Jeff Kuta) wrote in message news:<621dd332.03082...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Sword of Judgement (!bru) and San Nicolás de los Servitas (Las) All permanents related to gargoyles specify "this gargoyle" so you can't equip and then transfer their retainers to a non-gargoyle (you can, but they gain no benefit), nor can a vamp who has learned Vis somehow cast an armor of terra on itself and treat aggro damage as normal. Also, retainers like d'habi revenant and priestess of sekhmet only grant their benefits to their inbound clan vampires. Smiling Tom

> >Other equipment with this restriction includes Enchanted Marionette > >(!Malk) and Erebus Mask (HoS). I can't think of any others off-hand. > > Sword of Judgement and Sword of Troile spring to mind. No, sword of troile can be used by any vampire in play at full. But the Loquipment San Nicolas de los Servitas only works on Lasombra. Other permanents that works only while you are of the right clan: Aching Beauty/Toreador grand Ball Regenerative blood Sight beyond sight Lazarene inquisitor Haven affinity Priestess of Sekhmet D'haabi Ravenant Any gargoyle related retainer and permanent (defender of the haven, armor of terra) > > salem > domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm Smiling Tom

Jeff Kuta wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3F44F77...@white-wolf.com>... > >>Ulugh Beg II wrote: >> >>>I fast hands a Kali's Fang. Can I use it? >> >>Yes. But not on the same round that you stole it. > > > I was told there are certain restriction on this, however. > If you have a Ravnos in play with a Treasured Samadji, they get the > bleed and dodge bonuses. However, if you Heidelberg it to a Gangrel > you control, the Gangrel gets neither because the card text specifies, > "The Ravnos with this equipment..." As per the part of the message you snipped (re: explicit card text saying that only certain classes of minions can use the equipment), correct. [1.4] [ quoted text not captured ]

> All permanents related to gargoyles specify "this gargoyle" so you > can't equip and then transfer their retainers to a non-gargoyle (you > can, but they gain no benefit), nor can a vamp who has learned Vis > somehow cast an armor of terra on itself and treat aggro damage as > normal. Also, retainers like d'habi revenant and priestess of sekhmet > only grant their benefits to their inbound clan vampires. and in addition, if that gargoyle clan impersonates into another clan, it (just seems so appropriate to call gargoyles 'it') can't use the ability from the card either.