melee: fast hand vs undead strenght

Hi everyone. I wonder about Undead Strenght in a special case here. Here's the situation: X is acting and enters combat with Y. X's vampire holds a Bang Bahk in his hand and the combat is set at close range. X plays Undead Strenght as a strike who might be combined with Bang Nahk (card says: +2 hand damage or to a melee weapon). But Y as a strike, plays Fast Hand superior. So he steals the melee weapon. Can X still make damage if he doesn't have the weapon in his hand for his strike, presuming that he has to commit the weapon during his strike? Undead Strenght stipulates "+2 hand damages or melee weapon" making him believe that even if he looses the weapon, he can still get the hand damage. So tell me Mister Jyhad, what should i do??? :P thx GP41

On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, GP41 wrote: > Undead Strenght stipulates > "+2 hand damages or melee weapon" making him believe that even if he > looses the weapon, he can still get the hand damage. IMO, he chose to strike with the melee weapon. Since he lost the melee weapon first strike, the strike is rendered useless. The 'or' gives you a choice in the strike declaration step, not the strike resolution step - hence, for the purposes of *this* strike it says "+2 melee weapon damage". -- James Coupe

James Coupe wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, GP41 wrote: > > X is acting and enters combat with Y. X's vampire holds a Bang Bahk in > > his hand and the combat is set at close range. X plays Undead Strenght > > as a strike who might be combined with Bang Nahk (card says: +2 hand > > damage or to a melee weapon). But Y as a strike, plays Fast Hand > > superior. So he steals the melee weapon. Can X still make damage if he > > doesn't have the weapon in his hand for his strike, presuming that he > > has to commit the weapon during his strike? Undead Strenght stipulates [ quoted text not captured ] Correct. While Undead Strength can be used as a hand strike or as a melee weapon strike, that choice is made during the announce strike step. In the example above, it seems pretty clear that the strike selected was: "Undead Strength Bang Nahk for strength+4 damage". -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) V:TES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/rules.asp

In article <Pine.SOL.4.10a.100011...@red.cs i.cam.ac.uk>, James Coupe <ja...@obeah.demon.co.uk> wrote: > On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, GP41 wrote: > > Undead Strenght stipulates > > "+2 hand damages or melee weapon" making him believe that even if he > > looses the weapon, he can still get the hand damage. > > IMO, he chose to strike with the melee weapon. Since he lost the melee > weapon first strike, the strike is rendered useless. The 'or' gives you a > choice in the strike declaration step, not the strike resolution step - > hence, for the purposes of *this* strike it says "+2 melee weapon damage". > > -- > > James Coupe > > However, the Tiger Claws give "+2 hand damage". I don't think they are consisdered melee weapons. So even if stolen he would still get hand damage boosted by Undead Streghth would he not? Paul Cecil Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

ceci...@my-deja.com wrote: > However, the Tiger Claws give "+2 hand damage". I > don't think they are consisdered melee weapons. So They are: Bang Nakh-Tiger's Claws Cardtype: Equipment Cost: 2 pool Melee Weapon. <Strength+2 damage> each strike. > even if stolen he would still get hand damage > boosted by Undead Streghth would he not? Not unless his "selected" strike was "Undead Strength hand for strength+2". In the thread, his selected strike was Undead Strength with the Tiger Claws. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 ceci...@my-deja.com wrote: > However, the Tiger Claws give "+2 hand damage". I > don't think they are consisdered melee weapons. So > even if stolen he would still get hand damage > boosted by Undead Streghth would he not? They are considered Melee Weapons. that's why they say "Melee weapon" on them. The +2 hand damage (as with all hand damage bonuses) does not apply from a melee weapon unless you choose to strike with it. -- James Coupe