Thanks to everyone who came up to TempleCon this year; it was an overall
success and we look forward to hosting the NERQ there again next year!
Congratulations to Jonathan Scherer for winning the NERQ, and to all of
our Qualifiers.
Congratulations to Oscar Garza for winning our Friday 2-round
tournament.
Congratulations to Ben Swainbank for winning Sunday's draft.
A more detailed report of these events will come soon.
Some announcements:
A 10th-anniversary tin full of counters was found.
Also, 7 silver-sleeved cards were found.
If you lost them, please contact me (jod...@yahoo.com) and I'll get them
to you.
Now, here's a list of the more questionable rules questions that were
posed to me over the weekend, and the answers I gave. I am hoping I was
at least mostly correct:
* Sebastian Goulet (basic) is in play. His controller plays Feral
Spirit on him. Then Sebastian is merged.
Is Sebastian still an Ahrimanes? Or is he a Gangrel Antitribu?
I ruled that he keeps the Feral Spirit card, but is now a !Gangrel
again, as the Advanced version of a vampire makes an active
clan-change (i.e. when you merge Valerius).
* Ahrimanes Protectorate is in play. A second player wishes to play it,
and it will contest. Does that minion have the opportunity to burn
a blood to untap at the end of the action?
I ruled 'no', as it is part of the card effect.
Afterwards, I was pointed to a ruling on Khabar Glory, wherein the
minion still untaps even if they are contesting the card, but I am
still not sure about this case, since it gives an ability to actively
do something later.
* Vampire A has one blood. Vampire B is in torpor with two blood.
Vampire A attempts to rescue Vampire B from torpor, declaring the cost
to be one blood from A, and one from B.
A minion attempts to block Vampire A, but Vampire A plays Call of the
Hungry Dead at superior to continue the action, but burning a blood in
the process.
The action is obviously unsuccessful, but does Vampire B still need to
burn a blood?
I ruled "yes", because even if an action fizzles due to the inability
to pay the cost, you must pay as much of the cost as you can.
* Rise of the Nephtali is in play. The player who played it gains the
Liaison title.
A vampire of the same capacity attempts to take the title, and begins
contesting it.
The methuselah who originally played Rise, and who was still
contesting the title, is ousted.
During the untap phase of the other player, does her vampire gain the
title?
I said "yes", because Rise of the Nephtali sets up a lasting effect.
So how did I do?
Josh "Jozxyqk" Feuerstein
Prince of Boston
Jozxyqk wrote:
> * Sebastian Goulet (basic) is in play. His controller plays Feral
> Spirit on him. Then Sebastian is merged.
> Is Sebastian still an Ahrimanes? Or is he a Gangrel Antitribu?
>
> I ruled that he keeps the Feral Spirit card, but is now a !Gangrel
> again, as the Advanced version of a vampire makes an active
> clan-change (i.e. when you merge Valerius).
I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that the advanced version clan, sect,
title, etc. override *only* the base version of same, and not any other
changes that have been made through play.
> * Ahrimanes Protectorate is in play. A second player wishes to play it,
> and it will contest. Does that minion have the opportunity to burn
> a blood to untap at the end of the action?
>
> I ruled 'no', as it is part of the card effect.
> Afterwards, I was pointed to a ruling on Khabar Glory, wherein the
> minion still untaps even if they are contesting the card, but I am
> still not sure about this case, since it gives an ability to actively
> do something later.
I think it's part of the action, and thus happens even if the card is
contested. Don't know, though.
> * Vampire A has one blood. Vampire B is in torpor with two blood.
> Vampire A attempts to rescue Vampire B from torpor, declaring the cost
> to be one blood from A, and one from B.
> A minion attempts to block Vampire A, but Vampire A plays Call of the
> Hungry Dead at superior to continue the action, but burning a blood in
> the process.
> The action is obviously unsuccessful, but does Vampire B still need to
> burn a blood?
>
> I ruled "yes", because even if an action fizzles due to the inability
> to pay the cost, you must pay as much of the cost as you can.
Seems fine to me.
>
> * Rise of the Nephtali is in play. The player who played it gains the
> Liaison title.
> A vampire of the same capacity attempts to take the title, and begins
> contesting it.
> The methuselah who originally played Rise, and who was still
> contesting the title, is ousted.
> During the untap phase of the other player, does her vampire gain the
> title?
>
> I said "yes", because Rise of the Nephtali sets up a lasting effect.
There's no reason a vampire should lose their title without gaining a
new one (or some card text that strips them of it). I think you're
right.
> So how did I do?
>
Not bad.
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jnew...@difsol.com wrote:
> Jozxyqk wrote:
> > * Sebastian Goulet (basic) is in play. His controller plays Feral
> > Spirit on him. Then Sebastian is merged.
> > Is Sebastian still an Ahrimanes? Or is he a Gangrel Antitribu?
> >
> > I ruled that he keeps the Feral Spirit card, but is now a !Gangrel
> > again, as the Advanced version of a vampire makes an active
> > clan-change (i.e. when you merge Valerius).
>
> I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that the advanced version clan, sect,
> title, etc. override *only* the base version of same, and not any other
> changes that have been made through play.
Well, it doesn't override any card-in-play effects.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/4c506c8b953a0208> > * Ahrimanes Protectorate is in play. A second player wishes to play it,
> > and it will contest. Does that minion have the opportunity to burn
> > a blood to untap at the end of the action?
> >
> > I ruled 'no', as it is part of the card effect.
> > Afterwards, I was pointed to a ruling on Khabar Glory, wherein the
> > minion still untaps even if they are contesting the card, but I am
> > still not sure about this case, since it gives an ability to actively
> > do something later.
>
> I think it's part of the action, and thus happens even if the card is
> contested. Don't know, though.
Correct.
It is not played on the acting vampire, so "this Ahrimane" must mean
the acting one and be part of the successful action, not an effect that
the card in play has on the the ahrimane it is on.
> > * Vampire A has one blood. Vampire B is in torpor with two blood.
> > Vampire A attempts to rescue Vampire B from torpor, declaring the cost
> > to be one blood from A, and one from B.
> > A minion attempts to block Vampire A, but Vampire A plays Call of the
> > Hungry Dead at superior to continue the action, but burning a blood in
> > the process.
> > The action is obviously unsuccessful, but does Vampire B still need to
> > burn a blood?
> >
> > I ruled "yes", because even if an action fizzles due to the inability
> > to pay the cost, you must pay as much of the cost as you can.
>
> Seems fine to me.
Correct.
> > * Rise of the Nephtali is in play. The player who played it gains the
> > Liaison title.
> > A vampire of the same capacity attempts to take the title, and begins
> > contesting it.
> > The methuselah who originally played Rise, and who was still
> > contesting the title, is ousted.
> > During the untap phase of the other player, does her vampire gain the
> > title?
> >
> > I said "yes", because Rise of the Nephtali sets up a lasting effect.
>
> There's no reason a vampire should lose their title without gaining a
> new one (or some card text that strips them of it). I think you're
> right.
Correct.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/21f8f9355e136ffa
"Jozxyqk" <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote in message
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> Thanks to everyone who came up to TempleCon this year; it was an overall
> success and we look forward to hosting the NERQ there again next year!
>
> Congratulations to Jonathan Scherer for winning the NERQ,
THAT'S my Boy!!!!!!!!
w00t w00t !!!111
Congrats, Jon... I guess even a blind nut can find a squirrel occasionally.
DaveZ
Atom Weaver
Jozxyqk wrote:
> So how did I do?
Fantastically. That was a great event. Even if I had to drive 6 hours
there and back. Thanks for running it! It was run very effectively, no
drag or delays, and everything worked very well.
I'd also like to thank Nick Watkins for cross table rescuing my
predator's Stanislava so she could oust me :-)
Oh! And Josh Duffin! For having a floor to crash on *and* being the
architect of all my endless failure!
-Peter
pd...@lightlink.com wrote:
> Oh! And Josh Duffin! For having a floor to crash on *and* being the
> architect of all my endless failure!
Classic Duffin.
On the plus side, at least he's friendly about it. :)
Xian
frequent failure
"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
news:1138629590.4...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> jnew...@difsol.com wrote:>> Jozxyqk wrote:
>> > * Sebastian Goulet (basic) is in play. His controller plays Feral
>> > Spirit on him. Then Sebastian is merged.
>> > Is Sebastian still an Ahrimanes? Or is he a Gangrel Antitribu?
>> >
>> > I ruled that he keeps the Feral Spirit card, but is now a !Gangrel
>> > again, as the Advanced version of a vampire makes an active
>> > clan-change (i.e. when you merge Valerius).
>>
>> I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that the advanced version clan, sect,
>> title, etc. override *only* the base version of same, and not any other
>> changes that have been made through play.>
> Well, it doesn't override any card-in-play effects.
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/4c506c8b953a0208
Hmmm. This link seems to show Henry Isaksson's question about the subject, not
your reply.
Fred
Fred Scott wrote:
> "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message> > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/4c506c8b953a0208
>
> Hmmm. This link seems to show Henry Isaksson's question about the subject, not
> your reply.
OK.
Just follow Google's links to see the thread, then.
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Xian wrote:
> Classic Duffin.
>
> On the plus side, at least he's friendly about it. :)
Absolutely! In reality, the one game where he was my prey, he didn't
actually do that much to make me lose. Well, he did try to banish my
vampires a couple too many times, using up some of my Telepathic
Misdirections to block it that would have saved me had I used to to
bounce a Stanislaved bleed for 6 instead (Duffin!!!!!!!), but between
Watkins cross table rescuing said Stanislava from torpor after I
finally got her there while I was at 4 pool, Lance not attacking his
prey's zero blood, Haven Uncovered Stanislava when she clearly had no
combat defense when he had the chance, and me forgetting to prayer play
the last Forced in my hand after failing to block Stanislava's killing
3 stealth bleed of 4 in an attempt to top deck a bounce card (which
turned out to be the next card...), Josh's hand in my demise seems
pretty minimal :-)
-Peter
Fantastic time, good games and fun weekend mixer!
as for this "particular" game of question-for the record-round2
qualifier-
please let the readers know:
i think you are leaving out the part in all of this report-that
included NOT only did i rescue stanislava -but YOU too on the same turn
:) keeping table parity and hopefully earning me favor with BOTH my
cross table allies
AND i might add-i even helped lance doubly so ( who should have seen my
overt generousity).
lance-my prey-because stansislava had a havenuncoved on it- (next time
i will have to paint a bigger sign lance)
i wanted lance to at least take SOME actions because he was walling up
each turn-starting to keep his vamps untapped passing turns etc-way too
overly cautious-
deflecting bleeds-he must have deflected 8-9 times and was using some
new tech on a new vampire to pitch 2 cards each upkeep and of course
cycling into deflections/misdirections-
(all i remeber is that he had way more than 10 pool and i wasnt going
to bleed for that much in one turn-UNLIKE - peteyO- who bleed me out
in- i kid you not-the first 10 minutes into the round with lasambra
UBER govern bleed- (where are those archons when you need them :)
-granted PETEO made the finals with that -which might be the moral of
the story)
anyway...
have to give lance some incentive to go forward-and i thought it all
looked like a BIG RED SIGN that says-hit me stansislava- (cant get any
bigger than that)
so in reality -the only person i didnt help- was josh :)
so-yeah i rescued you both-such a nice guy- right-and wasting two
actions and EVEN blood off of my vampires(such a generous and a swell
guy)
the problem with this scenario -however-was what i thought were equal
experienced (in terms of years playing vtes) players
me, you, josh and lance
-and like a chess game being played out 3 moves ahead-looked like to me
-imho
that things might get going if i put some incentive on the table
(and certainly not to have you ousted! comeon-stanislava should ahve
been back in torpor in no time and no one would ahve been hurt)
what i -didnt- count on was lance-NOT attacking his prey (stanislava
with NO blood on it!)
come on-who doesnt do this?
no matter how you look at it-that is the critical issue
so-normally-you see-he would ahve killed stanislava-taken at least an
action and i could have bleed him for 3-something i wasnt doing for a
few turns up until that point-
probaly putting him at 9-10 or so-you would be alive AND having
rescued you-been able to recover ...
to continue wittling down josh-so you could get YOUR own vp off of
josh
sorry it didnt work out that way-but i certainly-for the record-was
supporting your effort and was cooperating to the fullest (my own
downfall)
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nick wrote:
> please let the readers know:
> i think you are leaving out the part in all of this report-that
> included NOT only did i rescue stanislava -but YOU too on the same turn
> :) keeping table parity and hopefully earning me favor with BOTH my
> cross table allies
True, true. Man. If only Liz Wescott saved me :-)
> AND i might add-i even helped lance doubly so ( who should have seen my
> overt generousity).
Yeah, if Lance had taken advantage of the situation, I'm pretty certain
he could have just ousted Greg, giving me another turn to solidify my
position and/or possibly oust Josh (unlikely, to be sure). But instead,
Lance did nothing. At all. Which was weird. So either Lance became
momentarily confused (leading to my death) *or* cleverly played
confused 'cause he was perfectly happy for Greg to oust me, maybe
'cause I was in a stronger position (other than, like, my 4 pool) than
Greg--even ousting me, Greg got ousted by Lance in a turn or two, so
maybe Lance was just making a super close to the chest power play by
letting Greg live for that extra turn.
> so-yeah i rescued you both-such a nice guy- right-and wasting two
> actions and EVEN blood off of my vampires(such a generous and a swell
> guy)
That goes without saying :-)
-Peter
imho
you were the best chance to close down josh-having enough intercept to
stop his votes
and damaging crows/presses
what was unclear over again this whole story-is how lance could think
he could get anything past josh once you were gone?
lance had no intercept except telepathics which alot were used up
(maybe he runs 15?)
in anycase-we know a vote deck-unchecked by intercept-trumps anything
except rush and maybe a few imortal grapples to turn off majesty
(especially with voter cap pool gain)
lance wasnt going to be able to bleed him out faster than he could call
a few krcs and gain the pool back by awe-oration-cap gain
good going josh!
believe me-i have learned that i couldnt win a bleed war vs vote deck
i was there trying to do the same thing in the final day at gencon last
year2005
when, in one of the rounds, i had as my prey, i ws trying to oust the
guy with the justicar/ic votes who eventually won the event
(or was in the finals at least dont quote me)-it ws the guy who played
teh SAME high cap vote deck each year-2004 and last year)
must be a great talker and negotiator1
> Fantastically. That was a great event. Even if I had to drive 6 hours
> there and back. Thanks for running it! It was run very effectively, no
> drag or delays, and everything worked very well.
I'll second that, and additionally thank you and John for taking the
time to pick me up on the way and then listen to my voice for the next
two days. Or was it only 1 day? I'm really confused.
> Oh! And Josh Duffin! For having a floor to crash on *and* being the
> architect of all my endless failure!
I'll second that one too. I never played any games with Josh
(ironically not even the Duffin drafts after the qualifier), but I'm
sure he had something to do with my suboptimal performance.
>....and me forgetting to prayer play> the last Forced in my hand after failing to block Stanislava's killing
> 3 stealth bleed of 4 in an attempt to top deck a bounce card (which
> turned out to be the next card...), Josh's hand in my demise seems
> pretty minimal :-)
While we're lamenting mistakes, it's worth nothing that I threw away a
potential sweep (2 vp in hand, both opponents decked, all players
seriously hurting on pool/blood/minions) by bouncing a bleed for 1 and
then getting by a bleed for 4 from John Scherer (who went on to win the
event). Without the pre-final scores in front of me there's no way to
be sure, but I like to imagine that without that mistake I could have
been in the winning seat instead.
To modify the old adage, always assume vapires with DOM can use it,
even when they're down to their last 4 cards.
CthuluKitty wrote:
> I'll second that, and additionally thank you and John for taking the
> time to pick me up on the way and then listen to my voice for the next
> two days. Or was it only 1 day? I'm really confused.
36 hours maybe? We got you at, uh, 10:30 on Staurday and got you home
at 4:00 on Sunday? 29.5 hours? Crazy stuff. In any case, yeah, it was
great to meet you and we now will claim you when ever convinient as an
honorary member of Team Ithaca. Just so the "Glad you weren't a serial
killer!" comment is in a context--on the way to get you Jon and I had
the following exchange:
-Jon: "So who are we picking up?"
-Me: "Jesse/Cthullukitty from the newsgroup. He seems like a pretty
cool guy and was very prompt about getting back to me. It seems
unlikely he'll be, like, a serial killer or something."
-Jon: "Yeah, that'd make for a really long rest of the trip, what with
the getting stabbed over and over and all..."
> I'll second that one too. I never played any games with Josh
> (ironically not even the Duffin drafts after the qualifier), but I'm
> sure he had something to do with my suboptimal performance.
He always does. Duffin!!!!
-Peter
> 36 hours maybe? We got you at, uh, 10:30 on Staurday and got you home
> at 4:00 on Sunday? 29.5 hours? Crazy stuff.
I seem to remember getting home more around 1:30ish. You guys had a
lot more driving after the fact of course. Anyhow, it seemed like 2
days since there wasn't an awful of time spent sleeping and I played
more Jyhad than I do in an average month.
> In any case, yeah, it was
> great to meet you and we now will claim you when ever convinient as an
> honorary member of Team Ithaca. Just so the "Glad you weren't a serial
> killer!" comment is in a context--on the way to get you Jon and I had
> the following exchange:
Team Ithaca, eh? Glad to be on the team with Odysseus. I think he was
probably a Malkavian.
Don't worry about the comment. I took it as the joke it was meant to
be, and it's very much in keeping with the dry, dark humor I would
expect from people who play a game about sociopathic ancient vampires.
CthuluKitty wrote:
> I seem to remember getting home more around 1:30ish. You guys had a
> lot more driving after the fact of course. Anyhow, it seemed like 2
> days since there wasn't an awful of time spent sleeping and I played
> more Jyhad than I do in an average month.
Whoah. It was 1:30ish. What the heck happened at 4:00? Maybe we stopped
for more coffee? I dunno...
> Team Ithaca, eh? Glad to be on the team with Odysseus. I think he was
> probably a Malkavian.
It's a strong team. Odysseus. And Sackett!
> Don't worry about the comment. I took it as the joke it was meant to
> be, and it's very much in keeping with the dry, dark humor I would
> expect from people who play a game about sociopathic ancient vampires.
Heh. Mostly I just thought it was funnier in context :-)
-Peter
"Jozxyqk" <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote in message
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> Thanks to everyone who came up to TempleCon this year; it was an overall
> success and we look forward to hosting the NERQ there again next year!
>
Super job on the part of Josh & Ben & all the Boston guys... this was a
great weekend of V:TES!!
> Congratulations to Jonathan Scherer for winning the NERQ, and to all of
> our Qualifiers.
> Congratulations to Oscar Garza for winning our Friday 2-round
> tournament.
> Congratulations to Ben Swainbank for winning Sunday's draft.
>
Huzzah!
And to me for winning the spur-of-the-moment 8-player draft event, inspired
by Matt Morgan and organized by Josh Duffin. (Matt was kind enough to be
occupied in the qualifier final, otherwise, I'm sure he'd have won it
himself.) I hate to tootle my own horn, but it's not often that I even oust
anybody in draft, much less win. :)
> A more detailed report of these events will come soon.
>
> Some announcements:
> A 10th-anniversary tin full of counters was found.
I think this may have been Rob Williams's stuff, but all the NYC people had
already left when I found it on the table. In retrospect, I guess I could
have ferried it south, just to get it within a few miles of the NYC metro
area. :)
> So how did I do?
>
>
>
> Josh "Jozxyqk" Feuerstein
> Prince of Boston
>
Ya done great!! [*]
- Pat
[*] Except for the part about seating me at Scott's table during R1 of the
qualifier... I've played in 5 qualifiers, and he was at my first round table
for 4 of them, and I didn't qualify. No Scott at DC in 05, and I qualified.
The corollary is that my key to qualification is getting swept by Matt
Morgan in R1.
Pat wrote:
> "Jozxyqk" <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote in message> And to me for winning the spur-of-the-moment 8-player draft event, inspired
> by Matt Morgan and organized by Josh Duffin. (Matt was kind enough to be
> occupied in the qualifier final, otherwise, I'm sure he'd have won it
> himself.) I hate to tootle my own horn, but it's not often that I even oust
> anybody in draft, much less win. :)
Don't forget to also thank Josh for harassing Oscar until he agreed to
sanction it. You definitely score big points for Strongest Improvised
Tactics Tech. Your poker face is too good for me to tell, but I swear
you press-drew my undoing at least once in each of the three games we
were in together.
> > Some announcements:
> > A 10th-anniversary tin full of counters was found.
>
> I think this may have been Rob Williams's stuff, but all the NYC people had
> already left when I found it on the table. In retrospect, I guess I could
> have ferried it south, just to get it within a few miles of the NYC metro
> area. :)
It is mine; I shot off an email to Josh for it. I don't know how I
missed it, when I put my nearly-broken draft deck from that morning on
top exactly so I wouldn't forget it...
> > So how did I do?
> >
> >
> >
> > Josh "Jozxyqk" Feuerstein
> > Prince of Boston
> >
>
> Ya done great!! [*]
>
> - Pat
>
> [*] Except for the part about seating me at Scott's table during R1 of the
> qualifier... I've played in 5 qualifiers, and he was at my first round table
> for 4 of them, and I didn't qualify. No Scott at DC in 05, and I qualified.
> The corollary is that my key to qualification is getting swept by Matt
> Morgan in R1.
Seconded! Although, along that same vein, I'd like to thank you for
seating me between the two players who gave me advice on how to play my
deck that day in the first round. It didn't help that it was Matt and
Josh. My key to qualification must be different.
Had a great time! You set a high bar for the mid-atlantic qualifier.
"crispyfloss" <crisp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Pat wrote:>> "Jozxyqk" <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote in message
>> And to me for winning the spur-of-the-moment 8-player draft event,
>> inspired
>> by Matt Morgan and organized by Josh Duffin. (Matt was kind enough to be
>> occupied in the qualifier final, otherwise, I'm sure he'd have won it
>> himself.) I hate to tootle my own horn, but it's not often that I even
>> oust
>> anybody in draft, much less win. :)>
> Don't forget to also thank Josh for harassing Oscar until he agreed to
> sanction it. You definitely score big points for Strongest Improvised
> Tactics Tech. Your poker face is too good for me to tell, but I swear
> you press-drew my undoing at least once in each of the three games we
> were in together.
>
Josh knew he had to come through with the sanctioning, or Eric would never
let him hear the end of it. :)
On Sunday, I was stocking up on presses until I got out Jubal to block
Sneakyko the Black Lion, so those weren't top-decked. I just knew I was a
goner when you got him laptopicated. The Eurayle/Iniko combo is way busted
in draft! I wouldn't have survived if Kevin hadn't called all those Autarkis
Persecutions... and Shane's Ancient Influence, too, I suppose. And Brothers
Grimm. (Damn, that's a lot of bloat for draft! No wonder we timed out.)
As for our Saturday draft, I don't have the Matt Morgan Memory (tm) when it
comes to recalling particulars of games, but I seem to recall that I was
top-decking some good stuff with Improvised Tactics. That card worked out
well for me, it really helped the card flow with my aus guys, and kept them
away from nasty combat at pro. Don't think I ever used it at pot, though.
> Seconded! Although, along that same vein, I'd like to thank you for
> seating me between the two players who gave me advice on how to play my
> deck that day in the first round. It didn't help that it was Matt and
> Josh. My key to qualification must be different.
>
They nearly always give good advice, except to each other. (or to Peter
Bakija, apparently)
- Pat
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, crispyfloss wrote:
> Seconded! Although, along that same vein, I'd like to thank you for
> seating me between the two players who gave me advice on how to play my
> deck that day in the first round. It didn't help that it was Matt and
> Josh. My key to qualification must be different.
No amount of good advice could've seen you through the bad luck you
suffered that game. If I recall correctly, you had master hand-jam almost
the entire game. Then you got two Shambling Hordes and they were both
stolen by Jared. Then even after you got a Shambling Horde you finally
were able to keep, you couldn't go backward with it for fear of it just
getting smoked by Carrion Crows. Even so and despite Ben having to wall
up or go backward the entire game, it took me an hour and forty-five
minutes to oust you and you had Jared pretty low at one point. Not really
too bad a performance in all.
I think if you'd Famed Jared instead of Faming me, you actually might have
had him, since I think Ben would've tried to back-oust Jared. Might've
worked. Might not have. Anyway, if you'd had gotten Jared, I wouldn't
have had two game wins and therefore wouldn't have wound up with second
place overall, despite an absolutely wretched performance in the final, so
I'm not complaining.
Matt Morgan
(qualified without bounce!)
Pat wrote:
> They nearly always give good advice, except to each other. (or to Peter
> Bakija, apparently)
Heh. Josh never gives me bad advice. He is simply the cause for all of
my failed games. Even when he is across the room. Or not even in the
room. Duffin!!!!
-Peter
"crispyfloss" <crisp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Pat wrote:>> "Jozxyqk" <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote in message
>> And to me for winning the spur-of-the-moment 8-player draft event,
>> inspired
>> by Matt Morgan and organized by Josh Duffin. (Matt was kind enough to be
>> occupied in the qualifier final, otherwise, I'm sure he'd have won it
>> himself.) I hate to tootle my own horn, but it's not often that I even
>> oust
>> anybody in draft, much less win. :)>
> Don't forget to also thank Josh for harassing Oscar until he agreed to
> sanction it. You definitely score big points for Strongest Improvised
> Tactics Tech. Your poker face is too good for me to tell, but I swear
> you press-drew my undoing at least once in each of the three games we
> were in together.
Harassing Oscar, ha! I swear, you have to twist that guy's arm SO HARD to
get him to sanction a draft. Wait. That doesn't sound like Oscar at all!
:-)
Bwa, Improvised Tactics tech?! I swear, that card is NOT GOOD, not even in
draft. Imagine if you had not put the Improvised Tactics in your deck at
all instead of playing it at Auspex. Imagine that the card underneath it
had instead been *where the Improvised Tactics was*. (This argument null
and void if you were playing a 40-card draft deck.)
> Seconded! Although, along that same vein, I'd like to thank you for
> seating me between the two players who gave me advice on how to play my
> deck that day in the first round. It didn't help that it was Matt and
> Josh. My key to qualification must be different.
Well, we did both give you advice on how to play (and what cards to swap in
and out of) your deck, but you weren't quite between us - Matt was your
predator, but Jared was your prey. I was Jared's prey. Though not for
long. Curse you, Jared Strait and Ben Swainbank! Once again you are the
death of me! :-)
> Had a great time! You set a high bar for the mid-atlantic qualifier.
Ooooh. We're not about high bars in the mid-atlantic. We're about low
bars. Or well-stocked bars. At least one of those.
Josh
a day late and a muddled vampire hunter short
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You would think so, wouldn't you? I must not have mentioned that I was
silently willing Nick to rescue both your predator's Stanislava and your
Elizabeth Westcott. :-) I really did consider rescuing Stanis myself, but
I sure wasn't going to rescue your Liz too, so I decided to instead just
hope that Nick would do it to maintain the balance of power. But I didn't
want to say it out loud, because I was hoping he'd tap out doing that stuff
so I could finally have a chance to oust him. Plus, I wasn't expecting
Craig (sp?) to go for the oust by Blood Dolling on and playing Bonding
(surprise!), rather than burning the Haven and trying to live another turn.
Sigh, sat between Nick's Carlton Van Wyk and Rachel Brandywine, and your
"guys with Animalism and Auspex", with my poor harmless Fishtarri... there's
almost nothing better than 0.5 VP. ;-)
See, that was my secret plan in trying to Banish your Omaya - I can't even
begin to tell you how bad I feel about not letting you bounce some stealthy
bleeds of 6 to me. :-) Of course, I wouldn't have had to go for Banishing
Omaya at all if you hadn't insisted on putting that Pulse on her... if you
stuck to just surprise-Computer-Hacking me all day long, I probably would
have tapped out more and stuck to getting blocked while calling votes that
hurt my prey instead of getting blocked while calling votes that would hurt
my predator. ;-)
Josh
thinks you've just earned a new epithet: peter "i got killed because i
forgot to play my forced awakening" bakija
Joshua Duffin wrote:
> Josh
>
> thinks you've just earned a new epithet: peter "i got killed because i
> forgot to play my forced awakening" bakija
Maybe the seed of a new Bakija Gambit that could be defined as dying
with the card you need to survive in your hand...but you forgot to play
it? Hmm. It needs a new name to differentiate it from the original
Bakija Gambit.
Some day Peter's experiences will lead to an entire V:TES-themed
version of Murphy's Law.
-Robert
Joshua Duffin wrote:
> You would think so, wouldn't you? I must not have mentioned that I was
> silently willing Nick to rescue both your predator's Stanislava and your
> Elizabeth Westcott. :-) I really did consider rescuing Stanis myself, but
> I sure wasn't going to rescue your Liz too, so I decided to instead just
> hope that Nick would do it to maintain the balance of power. But I didn't
> want to say it out loud, because I was hoping he'd tap out doing that stuff
> so I could finally have a chance to oust him. Plus, I wasn't expecting
> Craig (sp?) to go for the oust by Blood Dolling on and playing Bonding
> (surprise!), rather than burning the Haven and trying to live another turn.
> Sigh, sat between Nick's Carlton Van Wyk and Rachel Brandywine, and your
> "guys with Animalism and Auspex", with my poor harmless Fishtarri... there's
> almost nothing better than 0.5 VP. ;-)
Yeah, see, if *you* had rescued Stanislava, I would have been
unsurprised, what with you being my predator who wanted me not there
blocking you all the time, and ya know, being Josh, the Architect of
all my Dismay.
> See, that was my secret plan in trying to Banish your Omaya - I can't even
> begin to tell you how bad I feel about not letting you bounce some stealthy
> bleeds of 6 to me. :-) Of course, I wouldn't have had to go for Banishing
> Omaya at all if you hadn't insisted on putting that Pulse on her... if you
> stuck to just surprise-Computer-Hacking me all day long, I probably would
> have tapped out more and stuck to getting blocked while calling votes that
> hurt my prey instead of getting blocked while calling votes that would hurt
> my predator. ;-)
Damn my decision to try and oust my prey! Damn me!
:-)
> thinks you've just earned a new epithet: peter "i got killed because i
> forgot to play my forced awakening" bakija
I only have myself to blame. I could top decked the Telepathic
Misdirection. Or an Archon Investigation. Or something. In the end, a
lesson is learned...
-Peter
Robert Goudie wrote:
> Maybe the seed of a new Bakija Gambit that could be defined as dying
> with the card you need to survive in your hand...but you forgot to play
> it? Hmm. It needs a new name to differentiate it from the original
> Bakija Gambit.
>
> Some day Peter's experiences will lead to an entire V:TES-themed
> version of Murphy's Law.
Man. I am nothing but one tragedy after another, aren't I...
-Peter
CthuluKitty wrote:
> While we're lamenting mistakes, it's worth nothing that I threw away a
> potential sweep (2 vp in hand, both opponents decked, all players
> seriously hurting on pool/blood/minions) by bouncing a bleed for 1 and
> then getting by a bleed for 4 from John Scherer (who went on to win the
> event). Without the pre-final scores in front of me there's no way to
> be sure, but I like to imagine that without that mistake I could have
> been in the winning seat instead.
If you makes you feel any better, it wouldn't have helped. Out of my
last three cards, two were Telepathic Misdirection, and you might have
noticed that I left Kij untapped with one blood until I was ousted. You
would've eaten Jon's bleed of 4 either way.
John Eno
> If you makes you feel any better, it wouldn't have helped. Out of my
> last three cards, two were Telepathic Misdirection, and you might have
> noticed that I left Kij untapped with one blood until I was ousted. You
> would've eaten Jon's bleed of 4 either way.
I suppose that's comforting in a weird sort of way. Would you have
really wanted me ousted though? You did have a decent shot at
eventually bleeding off Jon's 1 remaining pool, and letting him have
that oust would have guaranteed him ousting you soon afterwards, which
is exactly what happened.
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Right. Well, at that point, my options would be:
1) Bounce bleed back to you, have you be ousted, probably get ousted
soon thereafter.
2) Don't bounce bleed back to you, be ousted by bleed.
You were hitting me pretty heavily at that point, and I didn't have the
pool to be able to eat a bleed for four.
John Eno
> Right. Well, at that point, my options would be:
>
> 1) Bounce bleed back to you, have you be ousted, probably get ousted
> soon thereafter.
> 2) Don't bounce bleed back to you, be ousted by bleed.
Option 3 would have been trying to block the bleed.
> You were hitting me pretty heavily at that point, and I didn't have the
> pool to be able to eat a bleed for four.
That's true, and you were probably a goner whether I was ousted or not.
If the situation had come up, you would have been under no particular
obligation to swing the game in my favor rather than Jon's. When it
gets right down to it, I shouldn't have been leaning on you so heavily
in that situation. As you pointed out at the time, it was a bad idea
and ultimately lead to my own ousting. I should have spent a turn or
two hunting, recouping pool, and pulling Zip out of torpor. One of the
things that kept me from doing that was the time limit, since a timeout
would have had more or less the same results as getting ousted.
CthuluKitty wrote:
> > Right. Well, at that point, my options would be:
> >
> > 1) Bounce bleed back to you, have you be ousted, probably get ousted
> > soon thereafter.
> > 2) Don't bounce bleed back to you, be ousted by bleed.
>
> Option 3 would have been trying to block the bleed.
Ah. I was assuming we were basing our theoretical discussion on what
actually happened. As it was, I did try to block Jonathon's last bleed
against me, and he snuck by me, so presumably he had the stealth when
he bled you as well. It's all guesswork at this point, anyway. I was
just trying to cheer you up a bit.
> > You were hitting me pretty heavily at that point, and I didn't have the
> > pool to be able to eat a bleed for four.
>
> That's true, and you were probably a goner whether I was ousted or not.
> If the situation had come up, you would have been under no particular
> obligation to swing the game in my favor rather than Jon's. When it
> gets right down to it, I shouldn't have been leaning on you so heavily
> in that situation. As you pointed out at the time, it was a bad idea
> and ultimately lead to my own ousting.
Heh. I'm full of great advice no one listens to, including myself.
John Eno