Nephadus + Ritual of the bitter rose

Just for sure: May I play Ritual of the Bitter Rose after Nephandus (Mage)burns a vampire in torpor?

No. Vampire A can play Ritual of the Bitter Rose in 2 situations: 1) Vampire A successfully diablerizes a vampire in torpor. 2) Vampire A burns Vampire B in combat resulting from an action that Vampire A is taking. Nephandus is not a vampire, and therefore doesn't qualify for either of these criteria. -Matt

> Vampire A can play Ritual of the Bitter Rose in 2 situations: > > 1) Vampire A successfully diablerizes a vampire in torpor. > > 2) Vampire A burns Vampire B in combat resulting from an action that > Vampire A is taking. > 2) is incorrect. It is playable any time your vampire burns a vampire in Combat. > Nephandus is not a vampire, and therefore doesn't qualify for either of > these criteria. > Correct.

"This card can be played as an action modifier card or a combat card. Each ready vampire you control gains an amount of blood from the blood bank equal to the amount of blood on a vampire being burned either by diablerie or while in combat with this vampire." It is not require any vampire. [ quoted text not captured ]

>> Vampire A can play Ritual of the Bitter Rose in 2 situations: >> 1) Vampire A successfully diablerizes a vampire in torpor. >> 2) Vampire A burns Vampire B in combat resulting from an action that >> Vampire A is taking. > 2) is incorrect. It is playable any time your vampire burns a vampire in > Combat. Right. Faulty memory to blame. For some reason I forgot that Ritual of the Bitter Rose is a combat card as well as an action modifier. Seemed dodgy, glad someone corrected me :)

"This card can be played as an action modifier card or a combat card. Each ready vampire you control gains an amount of blood from the blood bank equal to the amount of blood on a vampire being burned either by diablerie or while in combat with this vampire." It is not require any vampire. >> Vampire A can play Ritual of the Bitter Rose in 2 situations: >> >> 1) Vampire A successfully diablerizes a vampire in torpor. >> >> 2) Vampire A burns Vampire B in combat resulting from an action that >> Vampire A is taking. >> > > > 2) is incorrect. It is playable any time your vampire burns a vampire in > Combat. > > [ quoted text not captured ]

Let's analyze more closely: > "This card can be played as an action modifier card or a combat card. Correct, the card does not "require" a vampire. However, the situations that cause the card to be able to be played require vampires: > Each ready vampire you control gains an amount of blood from the blood > bank equal to the amount of blood on a vampire being burned either by > diablerie Only vampires can diablerize. Nephandus can take an action to burn a vampire in torpor. This is not the same as diablerie. > or while in combat with this vampire." "this vampire", meaning your vampire who is burning an opposing vampire in combat. Nephandus is not a vampire, so if he did manage to burn a vampire in combat, this clause still does not apply to him. Make more sense now? -Matt

"Kahalet" <kah...@op.pl> wrote in message news:cvg68l$5p3$1...@news.onet.pl... [ quoted text not captured ] It requires "diablerie" or "in combat with this vampire". Nephandus is not diablerizing his victim, nor is he a vampire who is burning his opponent in combat. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu

> Ritual of the Bitter Rose Type: Action Modifier/Combat This card can be played as an action modifier card or a combat card. Each ready vampire you control gains an amount of blood from the blood bank equal to the amount of blood on a vampire being burned either by diablerie or while in combat with this vampire. please read the cards carefully: 1. 'burned either by diablerie or while in combat with THIS vampire' - clearly requires a vampire to play this card... 2. it either needs a diablerie action or a burn while in combat. nephandus burn action is neither of those...

ZombieM...@gmail.com wrote: > > > or while in combat with this vampire." > > "this vampire", meaning your vampire who is burning an opposing vampire > in combat. Nephandus is not a vampire, so if he did manage to burn a > vampire in combat, this clause still does not apply to him. > > Make more sense now? > > -Matt would it be possible to play RotBR if a ghouled ally playing Torn signpost + burning wrath burned the opposing vampire? i guess it´s possible, since the ghouled vampiire is treated as a vampire for the strike (i think i saw something similar to it regarding rafastio ghouls or something, not sure about my memory though). cheers luciano/curitiba/baali

> would it be possible to play RotBR if a ghouled ally playing Torn signpost + burning wrath burned the opposing vampire? i guess it´s possible, since the ghouled vampiire is treated as a vampire for the strike (i think i saw something similar to it regarding rafastio ghouls or something, not sure about my memory though). no. RotBR isnt a strike card, nor does it require basic potence...

The_Baital wrote: > would it be possible to play RotBR if a ghouled ally playing Torn > signpost + burning wrath burned the opposing vampire? i guess it愀 > possible, since the ghouled vampiire is treated as a vampire for the > strike (i think i saw something similar to it regarding rafastio ghouls > or something, not sure about my memory though). No. While Burning Wrath would treat the ghoul as a vampire, Ritual of the Bitter Rose would not. --Colin McGuigan

Colin McGuigan wrote: > The_Baital wrote: > > would it be possible to play RotBR if a ghouled ally playing Torn > > signpost + burning wrath burned the opposing vampire? i guess it´s > > possible, since the ghouled vampiire is treated as a vampire for the > > strike (i think i saw something similar to it regarding rafastio ghouls > > or something, not sure about my memory though). > > No. While Burning Wrath would treat the ghoul as a vampire, Ritual of > the Bitter Rose would not. > > --Colin McGuigan thanks... luciano/curitiba/baali

On 22 Feb 2005 17:04:37 -0800, "The_Baital" <subve...@gmail.com> scrawled: > >Colin McGuigan wrote: >> The_Baital wrote: >> > would it be possible to play RotBR if a ghouled ally playing Torn >> > signpost + burning wrath burned the opposing vampire? i guess it愀 >> > possible, since the ghouled vampiire is treated as a vampire for >the >> > strike (i think i saw something similar to it regarding rafastio >ghouls >> > or something, not sure about my memory though). >> >> No. While Burning Wrath would treat the ghoul as a vampire, Ritual >of >> the Bitter Rose would not. >> >> --Colin McGuigan > >thanks... plus, vene if you could, the opposing vamp wouldn't have any blood, making RotBR a bit less than useful. salem http://www.users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/VtES/index.htm (replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)

On 22 Feb 2005 13:17:31 -0800, "The_Baital" <subve...@gmail.com> wrote: >would it be possible to play RotBR if a ghouled ally playing Torn >signpost + burning wrath burned the opposing vampire? If you're thinking of a mortal ally recruited with Ghouled, he can't play Torn Signpost. He can only play Potence strikes, and once per combat. Ghouled Type: Action Modifier Cost: 1 blood Only usable when the action to recruit a mortal ally is announced. If this action is successful, put this card on that ally and add 1 additional life to the ally from the blood bank. This ally is considered a ghoul and not a mortal. Once each combat, this ally can play a strike card that requires basic Potence [pot] as a vampire. Rarity: Anarchs:C I've packed some copies of the card befroe realizing this... But it is still useful in some decks. >cheers >luciano/curitiba/baali best, Fabio "Sooner" Macedo V:TES National Coordinator for Brazil Giovanni Newsletter Editor ----------------------------------------------------- V:tES Brasil Site (only in Portuguese for now) http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/vtesbrasil/