Transfusion and Catatonic Fear LSJ

Transfusion is an AM and Cat fear damage is dealt when? Can I play Transfusion at superior after I've ended combat with Cat Fear (and they toke the damage)? Thanks. ~SV

[ quoted text not captured ] No. CF's damage is not done until after combat ends. Transfusion only cares about damage done in the just-ended combat. Damage done before or after doesn't count. -- That is my story, be it bitter or be it sweet. Keep a little and let a little come back to me. LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ wrote: > Screaming Vermillian wrote: > > Transfusion is an AM and Cat fear damage is dealt when? > > > > Can I play Transfusion at superior after I've ended combat with Cat > > Fear (and they toke the damage)? > > No. CF's damage is not done until after combat ends. > Transfusion only cares about damage done in the just-ended combat. > Damage done before or after doesn't count. Is this a change to card text? Action modifier [THN] Only usable after combat if this vampire is still ready and successfully inflicted any damage on the opposing minion. Put a transfusion counter on the opposing minion. If the minion now has 3 of your transfusion counters, burn them all to take control of that minion. Only one Transfusion may be played at superior each turn. I play cat fear. combat ends. I'm still a vampire and still ready. I successfully inflicted damage. Its after combat. I play transfusion. (note: trans doesn't mention when the damage needs to be inflicted. It just says, useable after combat if still ready AND successfully inflicted any damage on opposing minion. Doesn't ask for damage dealt during combat. Response?) ~SV

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Screaming Vermillian wrote: > > LSJ wrote: >> Screaming Vermillian wrote: >>> Transfusion is an AM and Cat fear damage is dealt when? >>> >>> Can I play Transfusion at superior after I've ended combat with Cat >>> Fear (and they toke the damage)? >> >> No. CF's damage is not done until after combat ends. >> Transfusion only cares about damage done in the just-ended combat. >> Damage done before or after doesn't count. > > Is this a change to card text? > > Action modifier > [THN] Only usable after combat if this vampire is still ready and > successfully inflicted any damage on the opposing minion. Put a > transfusion counter on the opposing minion. If the minion now has 3 of > your transfusion counters, burn them all to take control of that > minion. Only one Transfusion may be played at superior each turn. > > I play cat fear. combat ends. I'm still a vampire and still ready. I > successfully inflicted damage. Its after combat. I play transfusion. > Next turn. I get blocked+majesty. I'm still a vampire and still ready. I sueccessfully inflicted damage. It's after combat. I play transfusion. > (note: trans doesn't mention when the damage needs to be inflicted. It > just says, useable after combat if still ready AND successfully > inflicted any damage on opposing minion. Doesn't ask for damage dealt > during combat. Response?) > Doesn't ask for damage dealt this turn, either. Hell, it doesn't even ask if the damage was done this *game*. The card only makes sense if the damage was done *during* *the most recent* combat. -- - Gregory Stuart Pettigrew

Gregory Stuart Pettigrew wrote: > On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Screaming Vermillian wrote: >> LSJ wrote: >>> No. [Catatonic Fear]'s damage is not done until after combat ends. >>> Transfusion only cares about damage done in the just-ended combat. >>> Damage done before or after doesn't count. >> >> Is this a change to card text? No. It is a clarification, per below.... >> (note: trans doesn't mention when the damage needs to be inflicted. It >> just says, useable after combat if still ready AND successfully >> inflicted any damage on opposing minion. Doesn't ask for damage dealt >> during combat. Response?) > > Doesn't ask for damage dealt this turn, either. Hell, it doesn't even > ask if the damage was done this *game*. The card only makes sense if the > damage was done *during* *the most recent* combat. Correct. (Well, except for the "game" part -- since a minion removed from the game isn't tracked, there's no way to say that this particular copy of a minion did this-or-that in a previous game. ;-) ) [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > Gregory Stuart Pettigrew wrote: > > On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Screaming Vermillian wrote: > >> LSJ wrote: > >>> No. [Catatonic Fear]'s damage is not done until after combat ends. > >>> Transfusion only cares about damage done in the just-ended combat. > >>> Damage done before or after doesn't count. > >> > >> Is this a change to card text? > > No. It is a clarification, per below.... I suppose clarificafying text would be a bit over-kill, as I seem to see only one really border line instance of this (that is, Catatonic Fear)... Poop. Now what am I going to do with transfusion? ~SV

>>> LSJ wrote: >>>> No. [Catatonic Fear]'s damage is not done until after combat ends. >>>> Transfusion only cares about damage done in the just-ended combat. >>>> Damage done before or after doesn't count. >>> >>> Is this a change to card text? > > No. It is a clarification, per below.... > >>> (note: trans doesn't mention when the damage needs to be inflicted. It >>> just says, useable after combat if still ready AND successfully >>> inflicted any damage on opposing minion. Doesn't ask for damage dealt >>> during combat. Response?) >> >> Doesn't ask for damage dealt this turn, either. Hell, it doesn't even ask >> if the damage was done this *game*. The card only makes sense if the damage >> was done *during* *the most recent* combat. > > Correct. (Well, except for the "game" part -- since a minion removed from > the game isn't tracked, there's no way to say that this particular copy > of a minion did this-or-that in a previous game. ;-) ) Ok, I'm a bit confused by this. As an action modifier, wouldn't it make sense that its window of checking would cover the entire action rather than just combat? It seems unusually trivial to suggest that it doesn't track damage done over the course of a turn or larger time window. . . by that time the Transfusion is out of the queue of effects. Here's an example that I would think *would* be allowed by card text. What's wrong with it? Suppose Jaroslav had THN and PRO and had taken his "inflict damage" action. He was blocked by one of his prey's Sabbat vampires, played Form of Mist to continue at 1 stealth and then successfully took his action, doing a point of damage to the minion who attempted to block (voila, an opposing minion). Can he then play Transfusion at superior? What prevents this card from affecting the entire window of an action? Ankur Gupta Prince of West Lafayette

Ankur Gupta wrote: > Ok, I'm a bit confused by this. As an action modifier, wouldn't it make > sense that its window of checking would cover the entire action rather > than just combat? It seems unusually trivial to suggest that it doesn't No more than its being a minion card would make sense that its window be the entire minion phase, or its being a game card make sense that its window be the entire game. > track damage done over the course of a turn or larger time window. . . Similarly trivial to suggest that it doesn't track damage over the course of the action rather than just the referred-to combat. > by that time the Transfusion is out of the queue of effects. Here's an > example that I would think *would* be allowed by card text. What's wrong > with it? > > Suppose Jaroslav had THN and PRO and had taken his "inflict damage" > action. He was blocked by one of his prey's Sabbat vampires, played Form > of Mist to continue at 1 stealth and then successfully took his action, > doing a point of damage to the minion who attempted to block (voila, an > opposing minion). Can he then play Transfusion at superior? No. He inflicted no damage in the referred-to combat. > What prevents this card from affecting the entire window of an action? Nothing more than prevented it from affecting the entire window of the game. [ quoted text not captured ]