Clarification of Bleed Modifiers

I am seeking an answer to the question of order of play - specifically on Bleed modifiers. Lets say I am bled for 1 blood by my predator. I have reaction card telepathic misdirection but I am not gonna waste it on a 1 blood loss. Predator then ups the bleed to 4 Question 1 - when do I play my misdirection - after declared bleed action, after declared bleed or after that bleed has been modified ? Question 2 - if i successfully re-direct I presume that any Stealth applied still stands ? Question 3 - can that redirected bleed be re-directed back to me using the same card (telepathic redirection) ?

"Jon" <jon....@royalmail.co.uk> wrote: "Question 1 - when do I play my misdirection - after declared bleed action, after declared bleed or after that bleed has been modified?" Whenever you want, it's your reaction. Read that as before or after you declare a block. "Question 2 - if i successfully re-direct I presume that any Stealth applied still stands ?" Sure, theys bleeders is sneeeeky folk. "Question 3 - can that redirected bleed be re-directed back to me using the same card (telepathic redirection) ?" But, of course. Unless you win the ensuing rubber chicken battle, but that is a house rule of mine. -t!MmY, rubber chicken master Malkavian Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Jon wrote: > > I am seeking an answer to the question of order of play - specifically on > Bleed modifiers. > > Lets say I am bled for 1 blood by my predator. I have reaction card > telepathic misdirection but I am not gonna waste it on a 1 blood loss. > > Predator then ups the bleed to 4 > > Question 1 - when do I play my misdirection - > after declared bleed action, > after declared bleed ? These two are the same thing. > or after that bleed has been modified ? You can play the reaction card any time during the bleed action - including after it has been modified. > Question 2 - if i successfully re-direct I presume that any Stealth applied > still stands ? Yes. All modifiers (and reactions) last for the duraction of the action by default. > Question 3 - can that redirected bleed be re-directed back to me using the > same card (telepathic redirection) ? Yes. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

> "Question 1 - when do I play my misdirection - after declared bleed >action, after declared bleed or after that bleed has been modified?" > >Whenever you want, it's your reaction. Read that as before or after you >declare a block. Okay a quick question. When can you play an action modifier? Do you only get "one chance" at playing cards? Let me try to clarify that last sentence. A long long time ago (when I still played M:TG), there was some story about how some person attacked with a creature. The attacker then asked if the defender wanted to play anything in response and the defender declined. The attacking player then tried to play a card (an Instant), but a judge said that by asking if the defending player wants to play anything, it means he can't do anything more (UNLESS the defending player plays something as well, and then the attacker can respond to that). I know that was a Magic example, but then again, they were WotC games for awhile and all. So my question is when do I have to play my action modifiers? If I bleed with a vampire, what happens if (or when) I ask the opposing player if he wants to play a reaction? (Though the smart player will just respond with a "maybe" or something). And BTW, is the prey bound to whatever he answers (I'd say not)? Halcyan 2

Halcyan 2 wrote: > > > "Question 1 - when do I play my misdirection - after declared bleed > >action, after declared bleed or after that bleed has been modified?" > > > >Whenever you want, it's your reaction. Read that as before or after you > >declare a block. > > Okay a quick question. When can you play an action modifier? Do you only get > "one chance" at playing cards? At any time. You get a new opportunity every time anything happens (like right after you play an action modifier, or after a reaction card is played, or after "no block" is declared, etc.) > Let me try to clarify that last sentence. A long long time ago (when I still > played M:TG), there was some story about how some person attacked with a > creature. The attacker then asked if the defender wanted to play anything in > response and the defender declined. The attacking player then tried to play a > card (an Instant), but a judge said that by asking if the defending player > wants to play anything, it means he can't do anything more (UNLESS the > defending player plays something as well, and then the attacker can respond to > that). Right. If you (the acting player) say "do you want to play something", that means you are opting not to play anything at this time. If no one else does anything, then that's it. This solves certain timing problems that would lead to stalemates of activity. A: "Vamp1 bleeds you, B" <opportunity for A to play cards/effects> A: "Do you block?" <indicates that A has no other effects to play at this time> B: "I don't block" <opportunity for A to play cards/effects> A: "OK, do you deflect or anything?" <indicates that A has no other effects to play at this time> B: "No" <since everyone has declined to play any more effects, the action resolves> B loses 1 pool. > I know that was a Magic example, but then again, they were WotC games for > awhile and all. > > So my question is when do I have to play my action modifiers? If I bleed with a > vampire, what happens if (or when) I ask the opposing player if he wants to > play a reaction? Since you (the acting player) always have the first opportunity to play an effect, asking for a reaction indicates that you do not wish to play any effects at that time. If no one else does anything, then that's that. If, however, anyone else plays an effect, the opportunity to play the next effect again falls to you first. >(Though the smart player will just respond with a "maybe" or > something). And BTW, is the prey bound to whatever he answers (I'd say not)? This is the problematic situation being avoided. [ quoted text not captured ]