[DECK] Fleur de la demence

Hi there =) Here is one of the decks i'm the most proud of. Basically it's a bleeding voter with small tricks, very effective in tournaments. The oddness of the crypt says it all ;) build it, enjoy it, criticize it, i'm listening to everything capable of enhancing it. reyda -- Demence a fleur de peau (aka : Fleur de la demence) Crypt (12 vampires) 3x Fleur du mal (7, toreador Prince, AUS PRE DEM, blocker plays with an open hand special) 3x Quentin King III (7, malkavian Prince, AUS DEM pre obf) 2x Kite (7, !malkavian Bishop, AUS DEM pre obf +1 intercept) 2x Korah (7, !malkavian Priscus, AUS DEM OBF) 2x Evan Klein (5, malkavian, OBF dem pre aus) Library (90 cards) Masters 1x direct intervention 2x Dreams of the sphinx 1x antediluvian Awakening 1x giant's blood (mainly to play it before other players ;) ) 2x blood dolls 5x Minion Tap Obfuscate block 4x Cloack the Gathering 2x forgotten Labyrinth 1x Swallowed by the night 1x Elder impersonation 1x Lost in crowds 1x Mask of thousand faces Presence Block 5x Majesty 6x voter Captivation (80 of the time play the inferior version just to gain blood back) 3x Legal manipulations 1x Entrancement 1x Propaganda Dementation Block 3x Kindred Spirits 3x Coma 3x Mind Tricks 2x Deny (dont laugh ;) fleur dumal can call votes at +3 stealth using these) 4x Confusion Auspex Block 3x Spirit's touch 3x Teelepathic vote counting (*) 4x Telepathic Misdirection 1x Primal instinct 1x Fast reaction vote block 2x conservative agitation 4x Kine Resources contested 2x Ancilla Empowerment 2x anarchist Uprising (same as the previous but useful if Ancilla' is delayed ;) ) 3x Parity Shift 1x Dramatic Upheaval Princely block 3x 2nd Tradition, domain 2x Legacy of power (just torporize beast and wynn at the expense of one of your minions =) ) Disciplineless block 3x Wake with the evening's freshness 1x Amaranth 1x Dodge (may replace with another leather jacket) (token) Equipment 1x Leather Jacket ( (*) note : once saved my butt from a ventrue Elder Kindred Network / kindred coercion by cancelling my own referendum after having tricked the methuselah in playing his card combo =D )

reyda wrote: :: Hi there =) :: Here is one of the decks i'm the most proud of. :: Basically it's a bleeding voter with small tricks, very effective :: in tournaments. :: The oddness of the crypt says it all ;) :: build it, enjoy it, criticize it, i'm listening to everything :: capable of enhancing it. :: reyda Demence a fleur de peau Crypt (12 vampires) [ quoted text not captured ]

> 2x Evan Klein (5, malkavian, OBF dem pre aus) I would go for 1 Evan and 1 Yorik > Masters Probably add Elysium : Palace of Versailles (1-2 votes more), but might not be worth it. Or Powerbase: Rome. > 5x Majesty I would go for at least 7. > 3x Spirit's touch > 4x Telepathic Misdirection 6x TM and 1 ST from my point of view. >vote block >2x conservative agitation >4x Kine Resources contested 6x KRC. CA sucks. > Disciplineless block > 3x Wake with the evening's freshness > 1x Amaranth > 1x Dodge (may replace with another leather jacket) Better replace with Ivory Bow. I would add 1-2 Delaying Tactics. just my 2 euro cents -- johannes walch

>Dementation Block >3x Kindred Spirits >3x Coma >3x Mind Tricks >2x Deny (dont laugh ;) fleur dumal can call votes at +3 stealth using these) >4x Confusion > I think it's rather sad and pathetic that one of the most powerful "voting" cards (aside from Awe) probably wasn't even intended to be used for that purpose. Speaking of that, I suggest you just throw in at least about half a dozen Deranges or so. With both Malks and !Malks, you can take out any non-Independent voters with a single action. You can throw in Malkavian Dementia and Derangements as well as Clan Loyalty if you feel like it. Since you're a voting deck already, !Malkavian Derange + Sacrifice takes out lots of weenies and mid-caps. Yeah, Fleurdumal might get Deranged as well but you can either beat them to the punch (Derange her as a Cam Malk) or let her get Deranged and know that you can strip a Justicar or Cardinal of his title without playing a card... Halcyan 2

> I think it's rather sad and pathetic that one of the most powerful "voting" > cards (aside from Awe) probably wasn't even intended to be used for that > purpose. Speaking of that, I suggest you just throw in at least about half a > dozen Deranges or so. With both Malks and !Malks, you can take out any > non-Independent voters with a single action. Before CE you could. Since CE you can only play Derange on smaller vamps which is quite a problem as your vamps are 7-8 and most powerful titled vamps are 8+. -- johannes walch

>Before CE you could. Since CE you can only play Derange on smaller vamps >which is quite a problem as your vamps are 7-8 and most powerful titled >vamps are 8+. Yeah, I still have trouble remembering the new text. Earlier, I was thinking, "yeah, you can Derange Fleudemal with the inferior version first to change her clan w/o needing to pay the untap cost" when I realized that it's now a clan card, not Dementation. In any case, I suppose in this case you could potentially design the deck so that Fleurdemal would actually be a boon then. You can't play it on an older vampire but you can move it to one. So Fleurdemal essentially becomes the Typhoid Mary of Madness. Older vamps (possibly due to skill cards) play the Derange on Fleurdemal and then she moves it to someone else. Halcyan 2 hoping the new derange will sink in

> In any case, I suppose in this case you could potentially design the deck so > that Fleurdemal would actually be a boon then. You can't play it on an older > vampire but you can move it to one. So Fleurdemal essentially becomes the > Typhoid Mary of Madness. Older vamps (possibly due to skill cards) play the > Derange on Fleurdemal and then she moves it to someone else. No you can´t. Move to = Play on! If I remember the ruling correctly.

Johannes Walch wrote: >>Derange on Fleurdemal and then she moves it to someone else. > > No you can´t. Move to = Play on! > If I remember the ruling correctly. The vampire with the Derange can move it to "another vampire" (not necessarily one younger than the original acting Malk/!Malk). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

> >>Derange on Fleurdemal and then she moves it to someone else. > > > > No you can´t. Move to = Play on! > > If I remember the ruling correctly. > > The vampire with the Derange can move it to "another vampire" (not > necessarily one younger than the original acting Malk/!Malk). OK, then the trick works. But it is a waste of actions anyway :-) Probably with some very smallish vampires cap 2-3 in the crypt it is somehow viable.

Johannes Walch wrote: ::: I think it's rather sad and pathetic that one of the most [ quoted text not captured ] Excellent remark. Plus the fact that i don't want to put 6 derange. Which action should i cut ?

Johannes Walch wrote: ::: 5x Majesty :: :: I would go for at least 7. the first version of the deck had 7 but it was too much. I'll go up to 6 :: ::: 3x Spirit's touch ::: 4x Telepathic Misdirection :: :: 6x TM and 1 ST from my point of view. Spirit touch is important because sometime it's not a bleed that will kill you =) 3x Spirit touch and 5x TM could be more useful i guess. ::: vote block ::: 2x conservative agitation ::: 4x Kine Resources contested :: :: 6x KRC. CA sucks. I'll go for 5 KRC, one more dramatic Upheaval :: Better replace with Ivory Bow. =/ i don't get it. If i get rushed, people won't be afraid by a single ivory bow. The Dodge will save my life. On the other hand i can still contest the bow ! thanks Johannes for your advices =)

> =/ i don't get it. If i get rushed, people won't be afraid by a single ivory > bow. The Dodge will save my life. On the other hand i can still contest the > bow ! Ivory Bow is quite effectiv against rushers who go to long range (mostly CEL decks), in my opinion. Those often only have Sideslip as damage prevention, and if they haven´t one on their Hand they can´t rush you. But it is even more effective against the people who normally think "I just try the action and see if he has intercept .. he will Majesty anyway". If those people see an Ivory Bow they will think twice :-). Also effective against weenie hordes behind you. If you block them you need to kill them ... johannes walch

Johannes Walch wrote: ::: =/ i don't get it. If i get rushed, people won't be afraid by a [ quoted text not captured ] you convinced me, i'll go for an ivory bow =)

> you convinced me, i'll go for an ivory bow =) hehehe my second name is master yoda :-))) but it is a nice deck concept. i will shamelessly copy it for our next tournament ..

Johannes Walch wrote: ::: you convinced me, i'll go for an ivory bow =) :: :: hehehe my second name is master yoda :-))) :: but it is a nice deck concept. i will shamelessly copy it for our :: next tournament .. no problem ! just change what you want and make it your deck ;)