Mata and not-played-as-normal [lsj]

I did a quick search on Mata and jack of both sides, Mata and pier, Mata and magic, Mata and concealed. None of them gave me anything. So I was wondering, does Mata Hari's ability allow her to get cards using her ability when the card she wants isn't played in the normal manner? (eg: Pier 13, Magic of the Smith, Jack of Both Sides, etc.) After some musings my playgroup was thinking 'no', as the cards brought into play by these other cards are not "played" in the normal manner, and Mata only allows her to *play* (read: played from hand) cards that she wouldn't otherwise be able to play. Confirm/deny? -- salem (replace 'hotmail' with 'yahoo' to email)

Salem wrote: > I did a quick search on Mata and jack of both sides, Mata and pier, Mata > and magic, Mata and concealed. None of them gave me anything. > > So I was wondering, does Mata Hari's ability allow her to get cards > using her ability when the card she wants isn't played in the normal > manner? (eg: Pier 13, Magic of the Smith, Jack of Both Sides, etc.) No. Google: mata "as normal" author:LSJ; third hit: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/af3eb1c6465d55dd

[ quoted text not captured ] > Google: mata "as normal" author:LSJ; third hit:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/af3e... this brings me to something i've been thinking about for some time. unfortunately, i have to work soon, so this won't get into every example. basically, neither you nor she are playing cards via pier 13 et al. i found no rulebook area that covers that cards may be played by you, by the minion OR by a process called "not played as normal." basically this is a card played by another card. setting up this trichotemy in the actual rules seems appropriate, and not too long-winded. also, for example, black cat conceals out a .44 magnum. who among us hasn't paid only 1 for it? this should now be incorrect? or am i missing something? i will hit this thread again when i come home and can think more clearly of some other vital examples that i'd previously considered. spore, mage

SPORE wrote: > this brings me to something i've been thinking about for some time. > unfortunately, i have to work soon, so this won't get into every > example. > basically, neither you nor she are playing cards via pier 13 et al. i > found no rulebook area that covers that cards may be played by you, by > the minion OR by a process called "not played as normal." basically > this is a card played by another card. setting up this trichotemy in > the actual rules seems appropriate, and not too long-winded. > also, for example, black cat conceals out a .44 magnum. who among us > hasn't paid only 1 for it? this should now be incorrect? or am i > missing something? i will hit this thread again when i come home and > can think more clearly of some other vital examples that i'd > previously considered. Yes, the idea of cleaning up "played as normal" is on deck. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/6d4f0aef88e43532