Calling Matt Pullen to JOL MA052

Sorry all, but haven't seen Matt Pullen around for a couple of days on JOL, and our game has stalled... best - chris

[ quoted text not captured ] So why do we all need to know this?? If you have a problem with Matt / Norm / whoever in a JOL game, email them. Cut this spamming out please dude. I can't see how people would be more likely to read a newsgroup than check their email.

On Jan 28, 6:25 pm, dasein2...@hotmail.com wrote: > On Jan 29, 4:12 am, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > > > Sorry all, but haven't seen Matt Pullen around for a couple of days on > > JOL, and our game has stalled... > So why do we all need to know this?? If you have a problem with Matt / > Norm / whoever in a JOL game, email them. Cut this spamming out please > dude. I can't see how people would be more likely to read a newsgroup > than check their email. I can ... and anyway, using both methods is more effective than either alone. But perhaps"spamming" the NG is inappropriate for other reasons, regardless of effectiveness.

jwjbw...@gmail.com wrote: > I can ... and anyway, using both methods is more effective than either > alone. Doubtful. Using both is certainly more effective than using the newsgroup alone, but using both garners no benefit over using email alone in any case (except cases which themselves are unsuited to playing JOL, or any other email-based game, in the first place). > But perhaps"spamming" the NG is inappropriate for other > reasons, regardless of effectiveness. Spamming by definition is inappropriate. And, yes, using a NG as a single-recipient email proxy is also inappropriate.

On Jan 28, 8:48 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > Spamming by definition is inappropriate. > > And, yes, using a NG as a single-recipient email proxy is also inappropriate. Ticket Order #47! Ticket Order #47! Your deli meat is ready! Also, Earl clean up on aisle three! Earl?!

On Jan 28, 7:48 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > jwjbwhe...@gmail.com wrote: > > I can ... and anyway, using both methods is more effective than either > > alone. > > Doubtful. > > Using both is certainly more effective than using the newsgroup alone, but using > both garners no benefit over using email alone in any case (except cases which > themselves are unsuited to playing JOL, or any other email-based game, in the > first place). > Not arguing with whether or not to use the newsgroup to "ping" JOL - you're obviously right on that point. But... you say "any other email-based game", which would imply that JOL is an email-based game... If JOL *were* an email-based game, then using email would have to be the most effective way to contact a player, and you're right that if they didn't check their email, then they're not particularly suited to playing an email-based game. Of course, JOL is nothing of the sort. It does not use email nor rely on email in any way. Theoretically, the "ping" command should send email to a user to notify them that it's their turn, but it doesn't do so. It, in fact, does nothing, removing the only link between JOL and email. Just saying...

LSJ wrote: > jwjbw...@gmail.com wrote: > > I can ... and anyway, using both methods is more effective than either > > alone. > > Doubtful. > > Using both is certainly more effective than using the newsgroup alone, but using > both garners no benefit over using email alone in any case (except cases which > themselves are unsuited to playing JOL, or any other email-based game, in the > first place). I believe that using both methods is indeed more likely to be effective. I see no need to discuss whether a player who creates an occasion to resort to such tactics is "unsuited to playing". > > But perhaps"spamming" the NG is inappropriate for other > > reasons, regardless of effectiveness. > > Spamming by definition is inappropriate. Sure, if you define it so. But I expressed no opinion on whether the behavior in question here was appropriate or not. Hence the scare quotes. > And, yes, using a NG as a single-recipient email proxy is also inappropriate. No argument from me. I merely suggested that if it is inappropriate, it is not because it is ineffective. The ends do not always justify the means.

[ quoted text not captured ] Ok, chastened. I know Norm's e-mail. But I don't know Pullen's. So that's why I posted here. In XZ's case, it was just laziness. best - chris

[ quoted text not captured ] Other reason: Sometimes folks don't have internet because it's down at their house or whatever. Which means e-mail is probably not effective. So I post here, hoping a buddy of theirs in their playgroup can let them know that their JOL games want them, and perhaps report back here. In that way, the NG post is superior to e-mail. Slightly. And incidentally, did you read the subject? Could you tell that the contents of my post were not going to be of interest? Then you can choose not to read it. best - chris

In all honesty - This reeks of knee jerk 'SPAMMER!' shouting. It's not like there's some deluge overwhelming the NG, and it's not like the NG is hard to read with the requests. I'd even agree if it were likely that due to the number of JOL games, it was possible they could end up 'spamming' the NG, but there probably isn't unless every single player cried out for each other at once. Perhaps just ignore the few posts there are (You know, along with the MI5 ones, and the mobile phone transfer software ones, God knows how you deal with those, they aren't even VTES related!) and move on?

[ quoted text not captured ] I wasn't SPAMMING SHOUTING! I just said "dude please don't spam the newsgroup with this stuff". I'd rather people not let it get out of hand and have people start knee-jerk spammer shouting and everyone keep everything civil. I thought I was pretty civil. We don't allow Ebay sale messages, I don't see why we should allow "hey can gronk X please complete their turn in JOL" messages. They are probably of less interest to the newsgroup in general than Ebay sale messages... we have separate forums for that, I can't see why we can't have separate forums for JOL messages. And now we do so we're all good :)

On Jan 29, 3:00 am, Shockwave <d_knowles...@hotmail.com> wrote: > It's not > like there's some deluge overwhelming the NG, and it's not like the NG > is hard to read with the requests. > Ah, but there is now, with all the followup replies! Chaos, beautiful chaos!

[ quoted text not captured ] Just like all the follow-up posts that appear when someone replies to an eBay post. Interesting, that. Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! http://vtesville.myminicity.com/ Las Vegas NAQ 2009! http://members.cox.net/vtesinlv/

"Chris Berger" <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote in message news:d3cd042e-faee-41b3...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Just saying... You can use the ping to get a players registered email address, it show up in th ered text saying Ping sent to: Although its not always current email address, it does give one additional option in contacting a lagging player. Raille

[ quoted text not captured ] Thanks Dave, I did not know that. Will try to e-mail Pullen too. best - chris

I think this method is inappropriate, but the irony is I know Matt and will call him. I believe he has lost internet temporarily, Dave Wilson Ann Arbor